tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post1052057404234046897..comments2024-01-05T06:18:18.086-05:00Comments on CommentaramaPolitics: Cultural Appropriation: What Is It, Does It MatterAndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-84175407143006653022018-05-08T12:25:20.903-04:002018-05-08T12:25:20.903-04:00Anthony, It's definitely not a majority positi...Anthony, It's definitely not a majority position or it would matter more. Right now, it's simply a very loud argument because the ability to scream racism is fading fast and the encroachment of whites on these areas is an economic danger.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-15819691189548718062018-05-08T12:23:57.022-04:002018-05-08T12:23:57.022-04:00tryanmax, Exactly. It's the perfect untouchab...tryanmax, Exactly. It's the perfect untouchable argument. Heads I win, tails you lose.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-2483243903176376612018-05-08T12:22:47.446-04:002018-05-08T12:22:47.446-04:00Rustbelt, It kills me that he used that song.
On ...Rustbelt, It kills me that he used that song.<br /><br />On the Elvis thing, the narrative liberals accept is that Elvis stole his music from blacks and then made it acceptable for white kids to listen to black music through whites. That's not at all accurate, but it's what they want to believe.<br /><br />BTW, do you know who originally sang "Blue Berry Hill"? It wasn't Fats Domino. It was Gene Autry. So a lot of the idea that these songs were black is BS. And music has always been fluid between races and cultures.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-80438822093341821042018-05-08T12:19:34.785-04:002018-05-08T12:19:34.785-04:00Good luck on your mission, Critch! LOL!Good luck on your mission, Critch! LOL!AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-3461766503128620162018-05-07T15:19:16.319-04:002018-05-07T15:19:16.319-04:00Rustbelt,
I agree arguments about cultural approp...Rustbelt,<br /><br />I agree arguments about cultural appropriation are old wine in a new bottle. Versions of that argument have been circulating since back when jazz was the most popular form of music.<br /><br />I'd say such arguments are on weaker grounds than ever because the market is both huge and remarkably broad. All sorts of people are into all sorts of things (there isn't one type of reader or tv watcher or gamer or music fan) and most fans just enjoy what they enjoy without worrying too much about what everyone else is doing and most artists just try to figure out how to get more fans.<br /><br />There are a sizable minority of people that love to argue about the meaning and importance of various trends, and the internet facilitates such debates, but such people should not be confused with the majority.<br />Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16124128949343301445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-10715386477252469252018-05-07T15:00:50.570-04:002018-05-07T15:00:50.570-04:00You beat me to it, but the concepts of "cultu...You beat me to it, but the concepts of "cultural appropriation" and "gentrification" are basically the same thing. <br /><br />One thing you didn't touch on is the counterargument to the claim that minorities "appropriate" white things all the time. The ready-made retort is that this is assimilation with the term having negative connotation. In this view, assimilation is imposed upon the minority, forcing them to give up their own culture. So, ultimately appropriation and assimilation team up to become an unfalsifiable theory. tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-76680996077851466742018-05-05T18:11:57.412-04:002018-05-05T18:11:57.412-04:00Oh, and I forgot to mention...
The latest statue r...Oh, and I forgot to mention...<br />The latest statue removal meant to cleanse our society form the evils of the past and please our snowflake social justice warriors occurred last week on Pittsburgh's Forbes Avenue a block from the Carnegie Museum. <br />Finally, a city crew removed the statue of that worse-than-Hitler cultural appropriator Stephen Foster. You see, Foster's statue came with a secondary figure of a black guy with a banjo ('cause, you know, that song that's not taught anymore in schools anymore because it's so vile and evil and American), symbolizing his inspirations. BUT THAT'S EVIL! APPROPRIATOR! GOODBYE!<br /><br />You know, I remember reading about when Elvis was accused of stealing music from blacks. The accusation prompted a retaliation from James Brown, who called the accusation nonsense. He declared Elvis to be an integrator because of his style, not a thief. How things change...Rustbelthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12190297078043033514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-4442647404441377842018-05-05T17:57:10.233-04:002018-05-05T17:57:10.233-04:00Anthony and Andrew, I agree and disagree with both...Anthony and Andrew, I agree and disagree with both of you.<br />First, Vanilla Ice was <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J6f6ABLwP8" rel="nofollow">too much of a douche</a> *** for anyone of any skin tone to want to have anything to do with him. (Rumor has it much money has been spent on uncovering DNA evidence that he is related to anything that isn't human.)<br />And second, Mr. Ice HAS been legitimately accused of appropriation- and by that I mean stealing from other white guys. The Truth: "Ice, Ice, Baby" is a total ripoff of "Under Pressure" by Bowie and Queen.<br /><br />[***- NSFW due to language)<br /><br />In Sports...<br />-It's raining in Kentucky as I write this before the Derby.<br />-The NHL has me more greatly appreciating CFB's zero tolerance targeting rule following the Tom Wilson Affair. It only took three incidents of severely injuring opposing players in just 9 playoff games (CBJ's Alexander Wennberg- concussion; PGH's Brian Dumoulin- concussion; PGH's Zach Aston-Reese- concussion/broken jaw/out for season), before the goon FINALLY got a 3-game suspension.<br />I don't know what was worse: Wilson's a**h***ry, (which includes his laughing on the bench as Aston-Reese lied face down in a pool of his own blood), or the NHL doing everything it could to justify his play as 'clean hits' until the coverage threatened to become a PR nightmare. <br />-Some nutball member of the Canadian Senate now says American announcers are ruining pro hockey with their (I guess) more straightforward commentary. What exactly is in a can of Molson's <a href="http://www.startribune.com/a-canadian-politician-thinks-american-commentators-are-ruining-hockey/481773791/" rel="nofollow">that causes such thinking,</a> anyway?<br /><br />And in the world of Geekdom...<br />-A new 'Masters of the Universe' movie may be underway. Okay, decent. It's also reported that Prince Adam and Skeletor may be somehow related. No...no...no...........!<br />-BTW, I also found this great <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fQtxKmgJC8" rel="nofollow">documentary on the story of Tetris!</a> (or, as I call it, when communists became capitalists)<br />Rustbelthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12190297078043033514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-87471251122468073282018-05-05T17:18:57.308-04:002018-05-05T17:18:57.308-04:00So every time I see some urban youth wearing bib o...So every time I see some urban youth wearing bib overalls I can tell that he is appropriating our culture here in the Ozark...well, now I have a mission. Critchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07106908233705403513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-19748913631924802082018-05-05T11:38:06.269-04:002018-05-05T11:38:06.269-04:00Anthony, On the LA stuff, I think it's amazing...Anthony, On the LA stuff, I think it's amazing that these people are so opposed to "gentrification." These are generally destroyed neighborhoods that get rebuilt and the people doing it bring with them jobs and better services.<br /><br />If someone was going to tell me that they wanted to clean up my mom's neighborhood, make it safer, give her a lot more services and stores to choose from, and give her a better chance of finding a job, I would be thrilled... not incensed.<br /><br />I think it really shows how messed up they are that this is how their minds work.<br /><br />As an aside, on point 3, I think the fact that it is becoming par for the course is why the cultural appropriation scream has come up. If it was still just one or two random white singers and they were viewed as novelty acts (Vanilla Ice), there wouldn't be anything to worry about. But with it becoming normal, that raises the economic issue I'm talking about.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-63771964303927844192018-05-04T22:20:26.503-04:002018-05-04T22:20:26.503-04:00Andrew,
1. It's true that people can have mor...Andrew,<br /><br />1. It's true that people can have more than one motivation but I think cultural pride isn't driven by economics. I'm not saying no one in the pop culture industry suffers from that fear but it's usually whining from failures and academics. Most rappers especially the successful ones are happy to work with whoever. For example Iggy Azalea released her first record through TI's record company. <br /><br />2. I am sure the whining is ongoing but it's meaningless. Non-black rappers are more numerous than ever, more popular than ever and having more success than ever. <br /><br />3. I agree. My point is just that rappers working with outsiders was a big deal a few decades ago whereas nowadays it's par for the course. <br /><br />4. Vanilla Ice was accused of going where he didn't belong and amassing success only because of his race. Not very different from what the new crop faces. Nowadays rap is much more mainstream and established (concerns about 'keeping it real' have largely been set aside) and is a global phenomena. <br /><br />5. Yup, that's terrorism. Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16124128949343301445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-29761848625112858592018-05-04T12:12:35.969-04:002018-05-04T12:12:35.969-04:00Hi Anthony. Just a couple points.
1. People are...Hi Anthony. Just a couple points.<br /><br />1. People are capable of more than one motivation. But the driving force here is fear that whites will encroach upon the black economy.<br /><br />2. Your argument completely ignores the massive amount of time spent on this issue, particularly in the music industry. This isn't some off the cuff thing, it's a massive push that has gone on for several years now and is quite brutal to any artist who gets tagged as an appropriator.<br /><br />3. Working with non-blacks is not at all the same thing as those groups are not competitors. They are a temporary cross-over who then retreat back to wherever they came from. They don't stay and they don't try to provide black sounding music.<br /><br />4. Vanilla Ice is not a competitor and was never accused of cultural appropriation because he didn't sound at all black. He was a white douche bag rapper. The new crop, the one that raises the ire, sounds black.<br /><br />5. The terrorism is things like breaking windows, setting fires, beating up employees and threatening employees and owners. It was in the LA Times. The particular article was about attempts to drive out a progressive coffee shop for fear that it would attract whites.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-52399324616148973592018-05-03T22:16:06.819-04:002018-05-03T22:16:06.819-04:00Cultural appropriation is a BS concept and its rid...Cultural appropriation is a BS concept and its ridiculous that a bunch of idiots online have gone after that girl but I disagree with much of your analysis.<br /><br />I remember three decades ago when Vanilla Ice was a big source of derision/controversy (way before the term cultural appropriation was coined IIRC). Pretty soon everybody successful enough started doing stuff he was ridiculed for (acting, the soundtracks to kids' movies and what have you) and of a course a good sized chunk of white rappers successfully followed him, none of whom attracted anywhere near as much controversy. <br /><br />I don't know about the terrorism you reference in California (missed that article), but broadly speaking, whining about cultural appropriation tends to be from losers with too much time on their hands rather than artists/businesspeople trying to preserve their markets.<br /><br />Along those lines I remember when rappers collaborating with non-blacks or non-rappers was a big deal, but now its something everyone does. The only color that matters in the industry is green. Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16124128949343301445noreply@blogger.com