tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post1717899121912981426..comments2024-01-05T06:18:18.086-05:00Comments on CommentaramaPolitics: Real Women v. FeministsAndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-38864746520839226872015-10-28T14:42:08.127-04:002015-10-28T14:42:08.127-04:00After spending several months on ob/gyn rotation s...After spending several months on ob/gyn rotation staring a vaginas, I really don't care to see any more outside a select few (one).Koshcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00552108950848576633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-54265868417120259442015-10-28T14:41:10.223-04:002015-10-28T14:41:10.223-04:00This is awesome.
While I agree with Ms. Greer tha...This is awesome.<br /><br />While I agree with Ms. Greer that a man should not be named woman of the year, the irony is just too great.<br /><br />My biggest beef is what did he/she do to get woman of the year? Matched her shoes with her bag? Seriously, what has it done to deserve the honor? One would think texting and killing would disqualify but perhaps it was the courage to do this while wearing a bra and heels. Heck, I see about a dozen of these women texting and driving every day. To get the award do they just need to run someone over? Do they get bonus points for only maiming if they don't kill?Koshcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00552108950848576633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-23806088710658866272015-10-27T23:03:04.956-04:002015-10-27T23:03:04.956-04:00Kit, maybe I was unclear. I'm not saying Stein...Kit, maybe I was unclear. I'm not saying Steinem started the second wave, I was just describing her entry into it in its early days. tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-63988208975420363922015-10-27T22:55:45.929-04:002015-10-27T22:55:45.929-04:00All I can say is that any further discussion of Br...All I can say is that any further discussion of Bruce/Caitlyn/Whatever's manparts, and I may have to take a vow of celibacy.Rustbelthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12190297078043033514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-19494401885393639092015-10-27T22:34:15.776-04:002015-10-27T22:34:15.776-04:00Today it's the "3rd Wave" which is o...Today it's the "3rd Wave" which is obsessed with body image,<br /><br />It's heroes are :<br /><br />Naomi Wolf, author of <i>The Beauty Myth</i>* who has since gone cookoo —even by left-wing standards. Her last grab for fame was <i>Vagina: An Autobiography</i>, which by all accounts was about her ability, then inability, and finally ability again, to achieve what one reviewer paraphrased as "technicolor orgasms". I wish I were kidding.<br />She has also spent the last few years going into conspiracy theory territory claiming, among other things, that the videos of ISIS killing western hostages were faked, accused Bush of trying to stage a military coup in 2008, and accusing Obama of setting up "FEMA camps". <br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a3eCHij4Vo" rel="nofollow">Yeah…</a><br /><br />Eve Ensler, author of the play <i>The Vagina Monologues</i>. Christina Hoff Summers summarized the themes of the play as "Woman are from Venus and Men are from Hell" with the only positive portrayal of a member of the male sex being a guy who likes to stare at vaginas. Not have sex with them, just stare at them. <br />It has also for praising lesbian rape. Really, in the original production it had a woman describe how, at age <i>13</i>, a 24-year old woman got her drunk and had sex with her, an act which by any definition is rape but is described in the play as "a good rape". I guess because it was by a woman not a man. Feminists defended it. An account of the 2000 Robert Swope controversy here: <a href="http://www.wendymcelroy.com/rockwell/mcelroy000403.html" rel="nofollow">LINK</a><br />Recently, it has begun to suffer new criticism because none of the women in the play have penises. Again. I am not making this up. One women's college cancelled a production for this very reason. <br /><br />As well as Susan Faludi, Jessica "I won't wrap the gifts" Valenti, and Anita Sarkheesian. <br /><br /><br />*Camille Paglia had this to say about Naomi Wolf's<i>The Beauty Myth</i>, and this was before Paglia went cuckoo for coco puffs: "If you want to see what’s wrong with Ivy League education, look at The Beauty Myth, that book by Naomi Wolf. This is a woman who graduated from Yale magna cum laude, is a Rhodes scholar, and she cannot write a coherent paragraph. This is a woman who cannot do historical analysis, and she is a Rhodes scholar? If you want to see the damage done to intelligent women today in the Ivy League, look at that book. It’s a scandal. Naomi Wolf is an intelligent woman. She has been ill-served by her education. But if you read Lacan, this is the result. Your brain turns to pudding. She has a case to make. She cannot make it. She’s full of paranoid fantasies about the world. Her education was completely removed from reality."Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453591141757808708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-49181663573813551292015-10-27T22:11:44.372-04:002015-10-27T22:11:44.372-04:00Then you had the "Porn Wars" of the 1980...Then you had the "Porn Wars" of the 1980s and early-90s with the sex-phobic Andrea Dworkin and Mary Daly on the one side and the very pro-sex (probably a bit too pro-sex in some ways) feminists like Camille Paglia and Wendy McElroy on the other side.<br /><br />The former group wound up aligning themselves with the Religious Right. Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453591141757808708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-28342762238103792942015-10-27T22:08:30.832-04:002015-10-27T22:08:30.832-04:00I think the 2nd wave actually began a tad earlier;...I think the 2nd wave actually began a tad earlier; in the mid-late fifties when Betty Friedan published <i>Feminine Mystique</i>, a book that compared the life of a housewife to that of life in a concentration camp.<br /><br />But feminism <i>really</i> went off the rails in the late-70s during the ERA fight when an upstart conservative pointed out to the public that this amendment was designed to force social change as it would lead to women being drafted for combat (only a few years after the Fall of Saigon) and abolish such things as mother-son picnics as discriminatory. She confronted them about this on <i>Firing Line</i> and the pro-ERA feminist agreed, that <i>was</i> the goal.<br /><br />The feminist left lost its shit and at Illinois they went bats**t insane, chaining themselves to the gates of the capital building and torching the words "ERA" into, I think, the governor's front lawn. <br /><br />The public quickly concluded, "These people are insane" and voted them down. The feminists hunkered off to academia where they stewed about how the Far Right had stopped them. Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453591141757808708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-3594280231053343732015-10-27T21:33:57.325-04:002015-10-27T21:33:57.325-04:00As far as I know, Bruce hasn't even cut off hi...As far as I know, Bruce hasn't even cut off his "manparts" yet. They're giving their Woman of the Year award to a drag queen.<br />GypsyTygerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-22106366377794874172015-10-27T16:19:30.246-04:002015-10-27T16:19:30.246-04:00All this fuss at Glamour just because ol' Bruc...All this fuss at Glamour just because ol' Brucey's trying to get out of killing someone while driving, er, texting while driving. Yup, that's my story of his story, and I'm stickin' to it, even though he still hasn't had his peeps chopped off yet.EPorvaznikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12653412963180740901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-58122682067034695852015-10-27T14:37:10.999-04:002015-10-27T14:37:10.999-04:00On the subject of identity politics in general: Th...On the subject of identity politics in general: The perpetually aggrieved hold onto this fantasy that education, hard work, and thrift are things that straight white men made up to get themselves ahead and keep everyone else down. I'm not denying there were in the past other institutions used to keep people down, but it's a little more than schadenfreude to see differing factions of the aggrieved conjuring up new institutions to the same old purpose. <br /><br />Since I'm sorta on the subject, a thought about so-called institutional racism/sexism/whatever. When you boil it down, what's really being described is a networking deficit among women and minorities. Of course, it's a lot less sinister sounding to say those groups have a networking problem and it places partial responsibility for a solution on them--which is just unacceptable. <br /><br />Straight white men are supposed to be reaching out to women and minorities, not the other way around. Nevermind the complex network of discrimination laws that make every protected individual a potential lawsuit bomb! It's prejudice and discrimination that keeps the good ol' boys to themselves. <br />tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-49282282273327910072015-10-27T11:26:26.731-04:002015-10-27T11:26:26.731-04:00Tryanmax - They HAVE to reinvent themselves otherw...Tryanmax - They HAVE to reinvent themselves otherwise they render themselves obsolete. Just like military generals, what do they do when the war is won? They have to convince everyone that it hasn't really been won at all. The real battles are beginning.BevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-84265903348401826102015-10-27T11:19:03.121-04:002015-10-27T11:19:03.121-04:00"...Reeses Peanut Butter Cup commercial: Hey,...<i>"...Reeses Peanut Butter Cup commercial: Hey, you got your bullshit in my idiocy! No, you got your idiocy in my bullshit! </i><br /><br />I...WANT...TO...MAKE...THIS...COMMERCIAL!<br /><br />And this is what happens when a movement is exclusive rather than inclusive. But it was so predictable because these women don't really want equality, they wanted subordination and subjugation of men. Because frankly, women have had equal opportunity for quite some time now. I give credit to Steinem and the rest, they were the public face of the final push. But I give more credit to my great-grandmothers, my grandmothers, my mother and my aunts for their backbone and to the men who did not get in their way.BevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-49333732021201935732015-10-27T10:29:57.530-04:002015-10-27T10:29:57.530-04:00As for Greer, I have to laugh. This is the proble...As for Greer, I have to laugh. This is the problem for the left. They advocate various stupidities and then they collide. In this case you have:<br /><br />(1) Women must establish a parallel world where they get credit for doing what men do only as women.<br /><br />(2) We must love and respect gays/transgenders and pretend their nutty ideas are real. Ergo, it is racist not to treat a guy who wants to be a woman as a woman.<br /><br />When these two ideas collide, you get conflict at ex-men want to join the lists set aside for women.<br /><br />It's like a twisted Reeses Peanut Butter Cup commercial: Hey, you got your bullshit in my idiocy! No, you got your idiocy in my bullshit! Only, this time, there is no happy melding of the ideas.<br /><br />Also, let me add that this is now yet another example of the identity left falling out with gays now that gays got what they wanted.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-52643079390451324342015-10-27T10:22:26.601-04:002015-10-27T10:22:26.601-04:00Bev, I total share your humanist view. I'm fi...Bev, I total share your humanist view. I'm firm believer that everyone is an individual and as such deserves equality under the law. Beyond that, it's up to you to make your own life or to mess up your own life. What drives me crazy with "feminists" is that they don't believe people are individuals (they see people as parts of gender/race gangs), they don't believe in legal equality (they believe in a legal apartheid system based on gender/race), they want to impose their own views and opinions and preferences on everyone else, and frankly, they are unpleasant, awful human beings.<br /><br />As for the bad rep, feminism created its own bad rep through it's own behaviors. Moreover, that bad rep came into being LONG before Rush came along. Steinem is an idiot.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-34946451675070562262015-10-27T10:15:43.413-04:002015-10-27T10:15:43.413-04:00First of all, I think it says a lot about feminism...First of all, I think it says a lot about feminism that it must continually re-invent itself through various "waves." I can think of no other social activist movements that redefine themselves so markedly. That said, I think you've got your waves mixed up. First-wave feminism was mainly the suffrage movement. (Also, prohibition, but they like to forget that.) <br /><br />Gloria Steinem was one of the original second-wave feminists, having "exposed" covert male chauvinism by working "undercover" at the Playboy Club in the 1960s where, shockingly, the women were regarded as sex objects. That Ms. Steinem of her own accord exploited her *ahem* natural assets to secure the gig continues to go remarkably unacknowledged. <br /><br />As for Germaine Greer, she is so seminal (ovarial?) to the feminist movement that I have no idea who she is. <br /><br />More thoughts on feminism to come...tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.com