tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post2484235496468362600..comments2024-01-05T06:18:18.086-05:00Comments on CommentaramaPolitics: It's A Progressive Condition, It Won't Get Better...AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-17012903384917949402010-07-16T00:06:18.724-04:002010-07-16T00:06:18.724-04:00DUQ, I fear that they will always be with us becau...DUQ, I fear that they will always be with us because the way they think keeps them from ever having to face the truth. In other words, from now until the planet finally explodes, they will continue to wonder why they can't ever find the right leader to put their ideas into place in a way they will work.<br><br>We just need to make sure that the vast majority understands that this is who the left is, so that they aren't tempted to stick with them ever again.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-83811050343432830552010-07-15T23:09:47.241-04:002010-07-15T23:09:47.241-04:00I just want to know when they will finally give it...I just want to know when they will finally give it up for good! They keep saying, "Oh we just haven't done enough" and "If only we had the right person doing it!" <br><br>But as you make so very clear, it's their very ideas that are WRONG. How long do we have to keep putting up with the idiots?DUQhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08746724287720239837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-74329555899665795892010-07-14T18:15:19.927-04:002010-07-14T18:15:19.927-04:00rlaWTX, I have seen liberals use the same tactics ...rlaWTX, I have seen liberals use the same tactics in all fields, from politics to law to sports to religion to office politics. It seems to be innate within their make up.<br><br>I would suspect that the reason churches are more susceptible to this is that most people don't see churches as political organizations. So they aren't expecting to need to defend their values against an assault from people who want to politicize the church. Thus, they aren't really ready to defend themselves against people who show up with political intent until it's too late. By comparison, in politics, we know what the other side is about and we know to be cautious.<br><br>And then when it starts, churches tend to me more hierarchical, so it's harder to fight once they've infiltrated the top.<br><br>Also, as you note, it's a lot easier to simply leave a church than a country if you don't like what it's become.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-85418652568758355892010-07-14T18:08:35.010-04:002010-07-14T18:08:35.010-04:00DocWhoa, Pay per view is an excellent idea! We ca...DocWhoa, Pay per view is an excellent idea! We can use the money to pay down the debt!AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-49653337635818908662010-07-14T17:58:58.205-04:002010-07-14T17:58:58.205-04:00I work for a mainline church that recently had the...I work for a mainline church that recently had their denominational shindig. The progs are trying all of the (not) so very successful tactics their friends in politics try. But for some disturbing reason, it works better in "church" politics (see Anglican, Lutheran, etc). But from what I hear at the church level, the exodus that has begun may intensify. I'm not sure what they'll do when there is only hierarchy and no congregants. <br><br>But it's easier to change churches than it is to change countries. Which is one of the reasons, I think, that the progs have more problems on the governmental stage with their high-falutin' plans.<br><br>Just a thought that you provoked...rlaWTXhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09319344164726195144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-60131672650787669162010-07-14T17:33:10.938-04:002010-07-14T17:33:10.938-04:00I love seeing liberals fight. They should do this...I love seeing liberals fight. They should do this on pay per view!Doc Whoahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16283308866886912377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-59421405807845874152010-07-14T13:22:20.625-04:002010-07-14T13:22:20.625-04:00Bev, Nope, never get tired of the praise! :-)I ag...Bev, Nope, never get tired of the praise! :-)<br><br>I agree entirely, and I remember your prediction. There was no way Obama couldn't disappoint them, and leftists aren't the type to take even the slightest disappointment well. The problem was that Obama was so vague in what he said that everyone was able to put conflicting policies in his mouth. The left thought he was the ultimate socialist and would remake America as a leftist utopia. The moderates thought Obama was a middle-of-the-road "new kind of politician." Even some on the right bought into the idea that he was post racial and a new kind of Democrat who wasn't weak-kneed in foreign policy or a big spender. And all the new voters thought he was "different" and "transformative," that he would remake our politics to some undefined utopian state.<br><br>But each of those ideas conflicts, and no matter what he did, he was going to disppoint most people. Then he made it worse by trying to appease the left while pandering to middle -- an unworkable combination that scared the middle and infuriated the left.<br><br>Also, his policies have been (predictably) a total disaster. So now the left needs to disassociate itself from him to maintain their view of reality.<br><br>I also agree that they are playing with an out of date playbook. They are relying on the MSM to cover up their mistakes and play everything in their favor. But the entire right and most of the middle has given up on the MSM because they know it's biased and unreliable. What that means is that they needed to learn to be more truthful and more direct, but that's anathema to them.<br><br>And their attacks on the Tea Party proved a real disaster.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-90484025648141353142010-07-14T13:07:22.264-04:002010-07-14T13:07:22.264-04:00Ho-hum, yet another insightful article, Andrew (do...Ho-hum, yet another insightful article, Andrew (don't you get tired of all the praise?) ;-)<br><br>The progressives are still playing they old MSM rules that Clinton used brilliantly pre-computer age. They keep repeating the same untruths over and over trying to make it appear to be the truth. 15 years ago this worked well because we relied on the MSM to ask the questions to unmask the truths which they didn't really do, but we thought they did. Now, anybody can access the technologies to ask the question directly and to expect direct answers. We no longer take anything at face value (at least not Commentarama-ians) and won't let untruths go unchallenged<br><br>I think this at the very heart of the progressives playbook problem and I actually think conservatives got the electronic message during 2008 campaign and have begun to shift their playbook (with the help of the Tea Party movement).<br><br>Frankly I predicted in Jan of 2009 that the progressives who so enthusiastically swept Obama in would turn on him with the same level of disapointment. Many of them were first time voters and/or new to the process - mostly young people - so they just didn't understand that politicians can never live up to their campaign promises, ever. And that is a good thing otherwise we would all have our state-issued unicorns.BevfromNYChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-23707507460325183022010-07-14T13:02:00.062-04:002010-07-14T13:02:00.062-04:00Ed, If history is any guide, then I assure you tha...Ed, If history is any guide, then I assure you that this is just the beginning.<br><br>Read this <a href="http://commentarama.blogspot.com/2009/10/liberal-thinking-follow-leader.html" rel="nofollow">article</a> I wrote some time ago. It explains why liberals get so nasty. Basically, they put all their faith in their leaders, rather than their ideas, and when their ideas blow up in their faces, they turn on their leaders rather than re-evaluating their ideas.<br><br>It's a defense mechanism that keeps them from facing reality.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-64328972561881651392010-07-14T12:55:22.648-04:002010-07-14T12:55:22.648-04:00Ok, now that is great. I've been reading your...Ok, now that is great. I've been reading your article for a month or so and you've been saying the left is pissed, and I believe you, but it's great to see proof of this! Let's hope their uncivil war keeps getting worse!Ednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-10119595044163044782010-07-14T12:41:43.867-04:002010-07-14T12:41:43.867-04:00Lawhawk, I don't think they need any encourage...Lawhawk, I don't think they need any encouragement from us -- they seem quite capable of eating each other. In fact, it seems to be one of their greatest passions.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-34009907286969041982010-07-14T12:40:42.582-04:002010-07-14T12:40:42.582-04:00Joel, I think you're right. Whenever the left...Joel, I think you're right. Whenever the left has gotten into trouble, they've cried racism. And people are sick of it. For a while now people have simply ignored it, but I think people have finally realized that they need to respond to the claims with contempt. It's about time.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-39210530185158196422010-07-14T12:38:25.885-04:002010-07-14T12:38:25.885-04:00Andrew: Progressives are like cockroaches--drugs ...Andrew: Progressives are like cockroaches--drugs don't affect them, and logic won't make them go away. So we just have to encourage them to eat each other.LawHawkRFDhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-72013890429550375132010-07-14T12:29:21.180-04:002010-07-14T12:29:21.180-04:00Andrew,Exactly. I do mean NAACP condemning the Tea...Andrew,<br><br>Exactly. I do mean NAACP condemning the Tea Parties. That is traditionally the last card the left has to play during an argument. Usually it works, but not this time.<br><br>Over at Big Government, I counted no less that 10 distinctly different articles starting with the words, "I condemn the NAACP."<br><br>It will take about a week for the left to realize that their bomb has fizzled. It is more than being tired of the race baiting for the American people. We will NOT tolerate being impugned by the left anymore.Joel Farnhamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15856960977033430002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-9797785904468611392010-07-14T12:01:50.143-04:002010-07-14T12:01:50.143-04:00Mega, There is nothing wrong with laughing at the ...Mega, There is nothing wrong with laughing at the pain of "progressives." They are a nasty little group who thrive on spite, and anything that upsets them is a good thing for humanity.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-84810234330820503712010-07-14T12:00:52.992-04:002010-07-14T12:00:52.992-04:00Joel, Thanks. I take it you mean the NAACP calling...Joel, Thanks. I take it you mean the NAACP calling the Tea Party racist? That does seem to be their trump card, and it's become a worthless one because the left has become the boy who cried racism.<br><br>I think, taking a historical perspective, what has helped the left was that they were out of power for so long (and they spoke like conservatives for so long) that the public genuinely forgot what kind of messes they create when they get into power. So the public was willing to given them a chance when faced with a corrupted Republican Party and an erratic candidate like McCain.<br><br>But now the public knows exactly what the Democrats stand for and I suspect it will take another couple decades before their brand can recover. And that will rely on our side losing it's way first.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-9034982289837712922010-07-14T11:54:19.556-04:002010-07-14T11:54:19.556-04:00I laughed and laughed at this. Is it wrong to enj...I laughed and laughed at this. Is it wrong to enjoy the agony of people who want to ruin your country?MegaTrollhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03234420338804013858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-16980379704124656522010-07-14T11:25:11.367-04:002010-07-14T11:25:11.367-04:00Andrew,Progressivism, liberalism, statism, communi...Andrew,<br><br>Progressivism, liberalism, statism, communism, and the Democrat Party are dying from a thousand self-inflicted cuts as well as attacks from the outside. Their trump card has been played yesterday and that signals the beginning of their collectivist end.<br><br>From here on out, it will continue to be discredited even for it's successes. It is only a matter of time. <br><br>This cancer of the body politic has been isolated and concentrated. Anti-bodies have been created and are seeking it out to destroy it. And none too soon.<br><br>Good article.Joel Farnhamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15856960977033430002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-75827641312548970042010-07-14T10:57:24.763-04:002010-07-14T10:57:24.763-04:00Stan, I agree. I think that Obama hid his actual ...Stan, I agree. I think that Obama hid his actual intents behind generic rhetoric that sounded rather conservative. That made people think he might be the second term, more conservative Bill Clinton without the baggage.<br><br>The McCain people had no idea how to expose that, and the media wasn't looking. In fact, anything that came out, they attacked the person who brought it out. Said differently, they basically became Obama's PR people.<br><br>Now that he's acted on his actual beliefs rather than his faux-conservatism, the public is truly upset. And the liberals are shell shocked at the public's response and the response of the economy, of our budgets, of our taxpayers, and of our foreign friends and enemies -- but they still don't understand what their policies cause.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-2604106936353608342010-07-14T10:37:36.512-04:002010-07-14T10:37:36.512-04:00Jed, I saw that as well. There seems to be total ...Jed, I saw that as well. There seems to be total confusion in their ranks. Their plans have included:<br><br>1. Trumpet the stimulus. Failed.<br>2. Trumpet ObamaCare. Failed.<br>3. Trumpet Financial Regulation. Failed.<br>4. Ignore the problem. Failed.<br>5. Avoid the public. Failed.<br>6. Call the Republicans the party who wants to repeal what they've done. Mega-Fail.<br>7. Talk up the economy. Failed.<br>8. Talk about how the Republicans want to make the economy worse. Failed.<br>9. Make racism appeals. Failed.<br>10. Make every election local. Failed.<br>11. Blame Bush. Failed.<br><br>Now they don't know what to do.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-56531190479459613362010-07-14T10:24:11.970-04:002010-07-14T10:24:11.970-04:00Actually Barry hid in plain sight. The only time w...Actually Barry hid in plain sight. The only time we got any truth from his campaign in ’08 was his slip to Joe the Plummer, about spreading the wealth. The voting public was kept in the dark, and I blame the RNC/McCain campaign with their willing sycophants in the press. As you’ve pointed out there is beginning to be gnashing of teeth on the hard left, they wont be happy until we’re goose-stepping in the town square. We must not squander this opportunity while the left is in disarray, and the anecdotes that you’ve put forth, are further proof of the real opportunity to right this nation.StanHhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07395708786509590321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-24253305841487854052010-07-14T09:30:43.816-04:002010-07-14T09:30:43.816-04:00nice article, Andrew. Another piece I was reading ...nice article, Andrew. Another piece I was reading was interesting in that The Democrats are definitely aware of what is going on, but can't agree on strategy. Apparently, the playbook was to not even acknowledge the House was in play. Out of sppech, out of mind so to speak. Now, Carville is repositioning. Yes, admit, so maybe it will serve as a wake up call. They want it to be Democrarts vs. Bush/Cheney and not a referendum on Obama's failures. Nice try.<br><br>I am glad the circular firing squad is already in gear.Tennessee Jedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10604275115906776992noreply@blogger.com