tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post6321437078103110273..comments2024-01-05T06:18:18.086-05:00Comments on CommentaramaPolitics: Kit's Thoughts: Nature vs. Nurture vs. Free WillAndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-57433293415606107762015-02-16T21:48:14.984-05:002015-02-16T21:48:14.984-05:00I couldn't agree more with the notion of free ...I couldn't agree more with the notion of free will being a huge component of what shapes a person... and I embrace both nature and nurture as a collection of things that influence how someone could turn out.<br /><br />I happened to like some ideas found in Viktor Frankel's Man's Search for Meaning (1959). It describes the life of concentration camp inmate from the perspective of a psychiatrist.<br />"Life has potential meaning...even suffering is meaningful." In undergrad, this field of psychology was called existential/phenomenology and thought to be more philosophy than science. <br /><br />Even in concentration camps he found only two races of men (regardless of whether inmate or Nazi guard): decent and unprincipled ones. They were "found in all classes, ethnicities, and groups." So, I get the references to Shakespeare and Spielberg. It's as if people choose to follow a path, however predisposed they might be.Jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11739206530879253618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-15684344127879033442015-02-14T14:43:31.648-05:002015-02-14T14:43:31.648-05:00Something really creepy to think about but as you ...Something really creepy to think about but as you experience life there are small changes made to your DNA or more importantly to the expression of DNA. Individually, these don't seem to do much but over time and experience they build up to make a unique individual. Even identical twins raised in the same home will have subtle changes in DNA. The DNA expression probably most susceptible to these changes is during childhood.<br /><br />Free will is probably a misnomer as many believe no one does anything purely for altruistic purposes. There are people more willing to take a risk, which is a function of nature and nurture but what supports the continued behavior is the reward. What most liberals, especially socialists and communists, don't understand is most people don't get the reward they seek when they do something for the good of the group.Koshcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00552108950848576633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-65747830240096715752015-02-14T10:05:26.554-05:002015-02-14T10:05:26.554-05:00Kit, great insight. As one who has been around the...Kit, great insight. As one who has been around the block a few years, and took a few psychology course in university during the 70's, I have often pondered this concept. In my own experience, I have seen brothers and sisters raise their children identically, yet those same kids turn out completely different. Granted, it's a limited sample, but if it fits in my limited sample, then perhaps it plays out on a much larger scale. <br />Why does one child turn out to be good in school, respectful of parents and have many good friends, while another is a rebel, constantly fights authority and is angry all the time? Nature vs. Nurture? Perhaps.<br />It is also my experience (personally and by years of observation) that if one tells a lie, then, as you state, "When a person makes one good choice it becomes easier to make a good choice in the future. Especially if it is risky. Conversely, if a person makes one bad choice it becomes easier for that person to make bad choices again in the future. These choices add up to habits, both good and bad, and those habits add up to form one’s personality."....then that habit becomes part of their nature. 'Hey, I got away with it once, this is pretty cool!' (ala B. Williams) Unfortunately, unless you remember to support that lie forever in your life, people will catch you on it and think to themselves that you are untrustworthy.<br />So, Nature vs. Nurture? As you write, I believe it is both. <br /><br />As for free will, we make choices every second of every day we are alive. How should I respond to that person? Snarkily, humorously, mean? It is our conscious choice on how we move through life. Therefore, I DO judge people on how they act, regardless of their background, circumstances, upbringing, etc.<br /><br />Anyhew...that is MY opinion! So make a conscious decision and agree with everything I've just stated. LOL<br /><br />BobRobert L. Heddnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-56612486676497209552015-02-14T00:42:19.222-05:002015-02-14T00:42:19.222-05:00I do lean towards nurture but that is largely beca...I do lean towards nurture but that is largely because most people operate in neutral. They "go with the flow" and conform. Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453591141757808708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-21348246639601124112015-02-13T21:04:06.968-05:002015-02-13T21:04:06.968-05:00Kit, What I think is really insightful here is you...Kit, What I think is really insightful here is your observation that both the nature and nurture camp ignore the issue of free will. I think they ignore it because if they acknowledge it, then they are basically admitting that their "issue" is essentially meaningless because no matter which is the correct theory, free will ultimately trumps either.<br /><br />Not surprisingly, that would be bad for liberalism too because it wipes out ideas like root causes and the idea that people are prisoners of causes beyond their control.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-1519066825316867672015-02-13T20:57:36.572-05:002015-02-13T20:57:36.572-05:00Next week, we'll put this up at the regular t...Next week, we'll put this up at the regular time of late night Thursday.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.com