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I suggest, h...Andrew: Okay, I gotit, and I agree. <br /><br />I suggest, however, that if Limbaugh is a "spokesman" for conservatives it's because he's been "Alinskyzed"(tm) as such. He's the target that has been picked to be isolated and attacked. <br /><br />The solution to that could be to do the same to the left spokepersons. If we can just get the satellite transmission codes, we can seize the audio channel and use overdubbing to make people like Chris Matthews appear to be saying completely stupid stuff............wait. Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16289856510554336990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-87145797486616308542012-11-30T02:14:53.541-05:002012-11-30T02:14:53.541-05:00Andrew, yes, it's the one which proclaimed the...Andrew, yes, it's the one which proclaimed the superiority of milk chocolate over dark chocolate, and you're an idiot if you disagree. Come to think of it, I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. <br /><br />(Whoever might respond to this--whether or not you sockpuppet, you'd better be more inventive than calling me a racist. That's just too easy.)T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-42716195693605221142012-11-30T01:37:40.223-05:002012-11-30T01:37:40.223-05:00T-Rav, Isn't the 17th Amendment the one about ...T-Rav, Isn't the 17th Amendment the one about chocolate?AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-18815899347235846992012-11-30T01:37:13.218-05:002012-11-30T01:37:13.218-05:00K, I agree completely. It makes a HUGE difference...K, I agree completely. It makes a HUGE difference to have Hollywood warping the culture against us. We desperately need to fix that.<br /><br />But there is a difference between that and Rush. If Sorkin does something truly obnoxious, it get's blown off because he's not considered a spokesman... he's just private citizen idiot. Rush has been made into a spokesman. So when he does something stupid, it reflects on us. That's why Rush needs to be held to a higher standard because the public sees him representing us... they don't see Sorkin representing liberalism.<br /><br />That said, I really do like Rush and I think that 90% of the time, he is helpful. But in the last couple years, he has also done some harm... as have other talk radio guys.<br /><br />And again, my point is not to wipe these guys out, it's to get them to stop doing the harm and to start doing more good again.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-58429492007435482232012-11-30T01:14:29.191-05:002012-11-30T01:14:29.191-05:00Max, It shouldn't be hopeless. Unfortunately, ...Max, It shouldn't be hopeless. Unfortunately, I honestly don't think our establishment -- the party leadership, the conservative media, talk radio are up to the task.<br /><br />Right now requires a very careful (but simple) strategy of manipulating Obama into a corner where he will get all the blame for things we will force upon him because we will use his own rhetoric against him.<br /><br />Sadly, I know that won't happen... indeed, it isn't happening. But that's how it should be played.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-16747301296658364152012-11-30T00:59:47.312-05:002012-11-30T00:59:47.312-05:00tryanmax, If you want proof of how well that works...tryanmax, If you want proof of how well that works, look at drug companies. Who knew that simple butt pain could become Anus-eo-ouchous, and that I need a pill to treat that? If you tell people they have a problem, they will believe it. And if you offer them a solution, they will buy it. The democrats have been manufacturing problems for years.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-20530177733968507592012-11-30T00:39:59.337-05:002012-11-30T00:39:59.337-05:00Jen, No, I'm not calling you stupid. And you a...Jen, No, I'm not calling you stupid. And you are right, we can't change Rush or anybody, but we can talk about what needs to change and hope that the ideas spread.<br /><br /><br />Indi, I totally blame our lack of ability to win the Yo Mama contests. LOL!<br /><br />And that is an excellent assessment of he problem -- the Democrats can win in any state if they find the right person, we can't. That needs to change.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-26597988105301644302012-11-30T00:36:29.074-05:002012-11-30T00:36:29.074-05:00Indi, I think the economy is in trouble. The worl...Indi, I think the economy is in trouble. The world is tipping back into recession. Now is the perfect time to tell the public, "we're giving Obama everything he wants... blame him." Then you push him to take even bigger tax hikes than he wants and you use him to wipe out as many deductions as you can.<br /><br />In two years when things crash, you fight for massive tax cuts.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-48768999372986367032012-11-30T00:34:05.933-05:002012-11-30T00:34:05.933-05:00"Indie, that's why I hate the 17th Amendm..."Indie, that's why I hate the 17th Amendment."<br /><br />This, times a million.T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-51619303062764303102012-11-30T00:13:51.580-05:002012-11-30T00:13:51.580-05:00Andrew:entertainers who ram their politics into th...Andrew:<em>entertainers who ram their politics into their product</em><br /><br />Do you think this makes a difference to the culture or not? <br /><br />I think it does, a considerable difference. The difference, however is at the level of cultural assumptions. When you hear or see a bunch of programs that share the same cultural assumptions - e.g. "I am my brother's keeper", then those assumptions can become the audience's assumptions. Particularly if 90 percent of the programs they watch share them. <br /><br />I'm not concerned about what Limbaugh says in particular because he generally and reliably endorses the set of cultural assumptions that I believe in - e.g. personal freedom is desirable and an economically superior alternative to a command economy. IOWs, he, and talk radio in general are one of the few outlets where I share their cultural assumptions. If we're going to turn the tide, a lot more such outlets are needed while keeping the old ones.<br /><br />tryanmax:<em>the trouble is there are no real liberal counterpoints to the Rush Limbaughs</em><br /><br />Not sure if you mean "counterparts" here. Assuming that's what you mean, I would disagree. I think most of the MSNBC pundits are explicitly Limbaugh's "evil twins". The left failed to get talk radio, so they went cable instead. Chris Matthews et al seem to me to be a left mirror image to how the left sees Limbaugh. <br />Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16289856510554336990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-30004555520203458772012-11-30T00:13:11.808-05:002012-11-30T00:13:11.808-05:00It's a damned if you do, damned if you don'...It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. <br /><br />Like handling a car(old car) in a skid. Take your hands off the wheel, and wait for the car to stop. <br />In better words don't do a thing. <br />But we will get all the blame. <br /><br />Yea, I look at the situation as pretty hopeless.Commander Maxhttp://www.the-grey-ghost.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-87062407315925782202012-11-29T23:53:34.396-05:002012-11-29T23:53:34.396-05:00Indie, that's why I hate the 17th Amendment.Indie, that's why I hate the 17th Amendment. tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-68486368963430090012012-11-29T23:51:29.347-05:002012-11-29T23:51:29.347-05:00Continuing on the topic of better marketing, a ver...Continuing on the topic of better marketing, a very common and effective way of selling something is to make people aware of a problem they have--especially one they didn't know they had before--and make your product/service/idea the solution to the problem. Ironically (or maybe not) the RWR talkers have mastered this: "The GOP won't listen to you, so listen to me instead." But that's another subject. The major concern is that in order to use that tactic, you must adhere to Alinsky's 11th rule.tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-62960106502783707672012-11-29T23:35:12.234-05:002012-11-29T23:35:12.234-05:00Anthony
You are right that the pendulum swings bo...Anthony<br /><br />You are right that the pendulum swings both ways but there have been instances where parties have gone by the wayside. Essentially the Whigs died out over the anti-Slavery debate. They had m any defections and the problem was they could no longer act nationally.<br /><br />This is where the GOP may be in real trouble. There is no state that I can think of where it is not possible for a democrat to win a Senate bid. However there are some that it appears the GOP can't win. It is ironic because the key to the Progs success appears to be holding the urban markets.<br /><br />Andrew<br /><br />I was stunned looking at the map of California on election day. Judging just by area covered in Red compared to Blue you'd think the GOP won California by a Landslide. The Blue areas were concentrated on the Urban centers. LA, San Fransisco, etc. The reason we lose Cali is we lost those populated areas by a great disparity. Florida was the same way. We lost Dade county 80/20. The rest of the state ouside of South Florida went Red for the most part.<br /><br />I think it is safe to say that what we have is an inner city problem. Which makes sense if we can't win the Yo Mama contest.Individualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-26081828907381709702012-11-29T23:25:37.441-05:002012-11-29T23:25:37.441-05:00Andrew, as long as you don't call me stupid fo...Andrew, as long as you don't call me stupid for quoting this stuff. :)<br /><br />I know we aren't going to get the talking head numbnuts to pull their heads out of their asses, but we can talk amongst ourselves to wise up on what they are doing. Until...we can come up with a way to shut them down (in other words, to quit saying stupid things).Jennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-74609751205105375652012-11-29T23:23:19.728-05:002012-11-29T23:23:19.728-05:00I think the Republicans can't afford top give ...I think the Republicans can't afford top give the Dems what they want because if they do then there will be no elections in four years. They keep talking about the Fiscal Cliff being the taxes but this is a non issue compared to the deficit. The only way to fix the country is to reduce the deficit before it gets "reduced" for us. <br /><br />I heard that Pelosi was the motivator behind everything Congress did in the first two years of OBama's term because OBama offered almost no input. Clint Eastwood was very prescient with his "Empty Chair" remark. I think the GOP needs to take their focus off of OBama. Essentially he should announce that they are seeking to compromise with HArry Reid and the Senate because quite frankly if Obama did not do his job while democrats had control he isn't going to do it now.<br /><br />Obama is just throwing crap out that is nonsense. We have to ignore him and try and get a bill the Senate will pass. Then let him veto it if he has the guts.Individualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-58087536030009849092012-11-29T23:09:11.401-05:002012-11-29T23:09:11.401-05:00Jen, Our audience is dwarfed by Rush? Since when?...Jen, Our audience is dwarfed by Rush? Since when?! ;)<br /><br />On the quotes, I know what you're doing and I'm not saying these are your ideas. I'm just pointing out an apparent flaw in the argument he is making -- it's a plan of pointless attack because it has no goal and it will create a huge blowback that will destroy our side, not theirs.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-47211555697520074362012-11-29T23:03:21.803-05:002012-11-29T23:03:21.803-05:00Andrew, I was just merely showing everyone here (w...Andrew, I was just merely showing everyone here (who didn't listen today) what was being said, and I'm not saying I agree with it. We already know who comments here on a regular basis (I don't know who reads, but doesn't comment), so you and I know the audience here is dwarfed by Rush's audience.<br /><br />I didn't want to copy/paste everything, and tried to pick out things that were already being discussed.<br /><br />It seems like all of us monitor a vast amount of things, and I like to see what others read that I don't. I click on most of the links (if I don't, it's because I don't have the time to read them, like right now--time to cut and run, LOL). Jennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-28331755988560223242012-11-29T22:47:13.860-05:002012-11-29T22:47:13.860-05:00Jen, The second quote is stupid advice.
For one t...Jen, The second quote is stupid advice.<br /><br />For one thing, you can't play chicken that way. ALL the blame will fall on the Republicans immediately and their ranks will break because they aren't suicidal. And at that point, if I'm Obama, I want the fiscal cliff to happen because no matter what happen it will be the Republicans' fault and he will get a pass to do all the things he wants for the next four years and Hillary four after that to fix the mess "the Republicans caused."<br /><br />Moreover, read the quote and ask yourself what the point to doing this is? This advice translates into: fight for the sake of proving you will fight. What do we get out of it? What agenda do we want to put in place? This is just pandering to angry listeners who aren't really thinking but are just emoting.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.com