tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post869819525775098957..comments2024-01-05T06:18:18.086-05:00Comments on CommentaramaPolitics: Peyton Manning: The Anatomy of A Hit PieceAndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-33297408210396751612015-12-30T22:51:12.776-05:002015-12-30T22:51:12.776-05:00Bev, Displays of genuine journalism are incredibly...Bev, Displays of genuine journalism are incredibly rare these days. Even putting the awfulness of something like this aside, I just don't see journalists doing the work of finding actual stories and developing them. It's just too easy to invent stories with spin, conspiracy and the slightest hint of a fact.<br /><br />I wish we could pull the plug and start over.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-34527164308648348662015-12-30T22:48:56.513-05:002015-12-30T22:48:56.513-05:00Anthony, I like Manning and think he, as a human b...Anthony, I like Manning and think he, as a human being deserves better, though I'm not a super fan or anything. What bothers me here is the journalistic display, not the target of it. It bothers me that this kind of "journalism" is acceptable. Now you can basically destroy anyone with a conspiracy theory that makes you guilty just by the very act of denying the conspiracy.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-89425892119898649802015-12-30T22:45:46.579-05:002015-12-30T22:45:46.579-05:00Eric, I do recall a serious rush to judgement and ...Eric, I do recall a serious rush to judgement and a quick condemnation of a lot of people by ESPN and the public. And that is never good.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-49124767370000251042015-12-30T19:16:50.002-05:002015-12-30T19:16:50.002-05:00Andrew - Sadly, real "journalism" is on ...Andrew - Sadly, real "journalism" is on life support. Let's hope a cure can be discovered soon, or we may have to pull the plug.BevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-13955335966281358922015-12-30T18:56:11.845-05:002015-12-30T18:56:11.845-05:00I couldn't care less about Manning, but that i...I couldn't care less about Manning, but that is some truly awful journalism.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16124128949343301445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-70198252059401422262015-12-30T18:56:06.704-05:002015-12-30T18:56:06.704-05:00Well, based on evidence, or lack thereof against P...Well, based on evidence, or lack thereof against Penn State, Paterno and Sandusky, that explains no "-gate," but didn't stop ESPN and Sara Ganim into duping far too many into thinking there was a scandal.<br /><br />Yeah, yeah, queue up Guns N' Roses' "Dead Horse." ;-)EPorvaznikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12653412963180740901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-2546674343516547012015-12-30T16:10:34.473-05:002015-12-30T16:10:34.473-05:00Kit, That seems to be true, oddly.Kit, That seems to be true, oddly.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-65974209862285576882015-12-30T16:00:30.218-05:002015-12-30T16:00:30.218-05:00Andrew,
First Rule of American Scandals:
If ther...Andrew,<br /><br />First Rule of American Scandals: <br />If there is no "gate" then there is no scandal. Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453591141757808708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-50137527106446310702015-12-30T15:17:04.478-05:002015-12-30T15:17:04.478-05:00No "gate" yet for some reason.
On your ...No "gate" yet for some reason.<br /><br />On your steroid point, I think that's an excellent point. The reason I haven't made that argument however, is that I think the evidence is clear that this never happened and I don't want to get into an argument of excusing Manning's behavior when I don't think it even happened. When you do that, people who want to believe all allegations automatically assume that it must be true because you're making alternative arguments.<br /><br />It is a good point though.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-10616017353683343742015-12-30T15:08:46.432-05:002015-12-30T15:08:46.432-05:00What word are they attaching to the suffix of &quo...What word are they attaching to the suffix of "-gate"?<br /><br />Peytongate? Manninggate? Neckgate?Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453591141757808708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-24844032626866417592015-12-30T15:07:29.480-05:002015-12-30T15:07:29.480-05:00"A more realistic reading though is that they..."A more realistic reading though is that they have accused Manning of exactly of what you said... taking a banned medical substance as part of his neck surgery treatment under doctor's orders."<br /><br />Which makes Peyton Manning look better than how they are trying to make him look. And also raises the possible need for the NFL to adjust it's steroid policy.Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453591141757808708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-15951502613971231852015-12-30T14:54:59.923-05:002015-12-30T14:54:59.923-05:00That's the funny thing Kit. If you listen to ...That's the funny thing Kit. If you listen to Al Jazeera's attempt at CYA, all they claim they proved was that <i>Manning's wife</i> received HGH at a time when Manning was out of football, being treated for a neck injury.<br /><br />A more realistic reading though is that they have accused Manning of exactly of what you said... taking a banned medical substance as part of his neck surgery treatment under doctor's orders.<br /><br />Of course, they also accused about 20 Green Bay Packers of taking everything from pain killers to steroids, but Florio has ignored that until today because he wanted to get Manning, not the Packers.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-14094663905276384112015-12-30T14:48:06.316-05:002015-12-30T14:48:06.316-05:00So the worst that they've "proven" m...So the worst that they've "proven" might have happened is that Peyton Manning took steroids to help him recover from a neck surgery. On medical leave. <br /><br />And likely prescribed by a doctor.Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453591141757808708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-34988121794658507612015-12-30T14:06:13.863-05:002015-12-30T14:06:13.863-05:00LOL! Nice! Chris Rock can be quite funny! :)
I ...LOL! Nice! Chris Rock can be quite funny! :)<br /><br />I honestly don't know much about it. I tend to accept the opinion of doctors on these things. If they think it's worth using, then I see no reason we shouldn't.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-29279267513002722902015-12-30T14:02:53.657-05:002015-12-30T14:02:53.657-05:00I don't want you to think I believe taking HGH...I don't want you to think I believe taking HGH is ok. More along the lines of the Chris Rock set on OJ when he says, "he shouldn't have killed her, but I understand."Koshcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00552108950848576633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-5968622983684916432015-12-30T13:56:06.347-05:002015-12-30T13:56:06.347-05:00Thanks Eric. We can always hope that one day thin...Thanks Eric. We can always hope that one day things will turn again and we'll get a reputable media.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-87992498736723444572015-12-30T13:50:46.148-05:002015-12-30T13:50:46.148-05:00Don't need to remind me of that. Thank God for...Don't need to remind me of that. Thank God for guys like you and John Ziegler shining light on the truth, no matter how windmill-tilting it may seem.EPorvaznikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12653412963180740901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-39511015172992783372015-12-30T13:32:27.717-05:002015-12-30T13:32:27.717-05:00You're welcome, Eric!
Sadly, I think this is ...You're welcome, Eric!<br /><br />Sadly, I think this is becoming the norm in journalism. There seems to be this idea that if there is even a hint of guilt, no matter how discredited, then they can and should run with the story. And not only that, they try to make it real. It's despicable.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-17589289732067123932015-12-30T13:26:43.166-05:002015-12-30T13:26:43.166-05:00ESPN-style "journalism," spreading its d...ESPN-style "journalism," spreading its disgustingly irresponsible wings to other outlets ... as if Al Jazeera needed help with pushing false narratives as truth.<br /><br />Thanks for keeping them all accountable, AP!EPorvaznikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12653412963180740901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-1656716202093781702015-12-30T12:38:23.117-05:002015-12-30T12:38:23.117-05:00Thanks Koshcat! I wish more people would start re...Thanks Koshcat! I wish more people would start reviewing the work of "journalists" for these kinds of things. The whole profession has become venomous with these people playing gotcha and trying to make things true regardless of the evidence.<br /><br />I know that journalism has never been pure, but I have to think that in the past, NBC would have fired a guy like Florio long before letting him put these kinds of reports... ditto on Al Jazeera.<br /><br />In terms of suing him, Florio is careful never to actually say anything. He always just suggests. And when he wants to say something that he can't attribute to someone else, he invents the "people are saying." He does it too here, where he says that "some" are suggesting that Manning left the door open to blame his wife. That's Florio's way of trying to avoid saying that this is his own theory when no one else has said that.<br /><br />In terms of HGH, I don't know enough about its use to heal injuries, so I can't comment on whether or not I think that's good or bad. But I do generally think that letting these guys take things like steroids is a bad idea.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-16133128494640485312015-12-30T11:07:40.406-05:002015-12-30T11:07:40.406-05:00Nice take down of Florio. Too bad not enough peop...Nice take down of Florio. Too bad not enough people will read it. There was much about this story that was bothersome. First, the report that an employee of a clinic admitted that Peyton was even a patient is against HIPPA regulations. Now I believe Peyton did not keep this secret but he does have the right to medical privacy. Second, he was actually an NFL player at the time. The Colts had the rights to him but he was not actively playing. HGH is used to recover from injuries faster so it isn't beyond belief that he might use it after major surgery but hard to argue he was using it as a performance enhancement since he wasn't playing. There is no physical proof he used it; no smoking syringe. So at best it is hearsay and rumors. Finally, who cares if he did? I think most reasonable people would understand the desire to heal faster to get back to playing as they would do the same thing if it meant their career.<br /><br />I think Manning should sue but I'm not sure who best to sue-probably Al Jazeera. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if Florio can be sued because he is spouting his opinion and he has the right to say any incredibly stupid thing he wants. He should be fired, but that is only my opinion.Koshcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00552108950848576633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-48703558540431761262015-12-30T10:02:27.965-05:002015-12-30T10:02:27.965-05:00P.S. I think Al Jazeera now trying to claim that t...P.S. I think Al Jazeera now trying to claim that they never said anything about Manning will damage their credibility a lot.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-52265949893423184502015-12-30T10:01:47.239-05:002015-12-30T10:01:47.239-05:00tryanmax, Exactly. That's what pisses me off ...tryanmax, Exactly. That's what pisses me off here. Florio is determined to get Manning (just as he was determined to save Brady), and he spews out amazingly hypocritical bull. If Manning had said no comment, he would be writing a flood of articles asking why Manning won't defend himself and claiming that this proves that he must be guilty... just like he is basically doing with Ashley Manning. But Manning commented, so he find amazing reasons to dismiss it, including most incredibly, the very fact of responding meaning he must have something to hide.<br /><br />This is the ultimate gotcha. Say nothing = have something to hide. Deny = trying to cover up truth. The more people who deny = the greater the need to cover up.<br /><br />And then add, admit you lied = just proof that you were telling the truth before and are lying now.<br /><br />This is how conspiracy works. It turns everything into what the conspiracy spinner wants.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-20410161943986150832015-12-30T09:56:54.673-05:002015-12-30T09:56:54.673-05:00Kit, On Rita Skeeter, again, you've got the le...Kit, On Rita Skeeter, again, you've got the leftist Rowlings putting her finger on yet another leftist sin. It's interesting. She's very much like Orwell - a leftist who sees all the problems her side has invented, but lacks to ability to grasp that it's her side doing these things.<br /><br />I've seen several attacks on Rockwell lately. The biggest problem is that the Middle Class likes him, so the elite want to destroy him. Then add in the fact that he's patriotic, pro-tradition, pro-family, and suggestive conservative and he's worse than Hitler to them.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-68218625331383329852015-12-30T09:54:06.943-05:002015-12-30T09:54:06.943-05:00Kit, Huffpo started this along with Al Jazeera, an...Kit, Huffpo started this along with Al Jazeera, and they don't have the integrity or common sense to know when to back out and print a retraction.<br /><br />Unfortunately, this has become standard for our journalistic industry. That's why wrote this, not because I feel Manning needs a defense, but because it shows just how twisted journalism has become. It has become the purview of hateful paranoids with agendas who think that the fact they want something to be true must make it so and by God they're going to find a way to make it believable.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.com