tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post2746110960455682513..comments2024-01-05T06:18:18.086-05:00Comments on CommentaramaPolitics: Movable Type and the PopeAndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-3613710524723673392018-12-09T05:14:53.281-05:002018-12-09T05:14:53.281-05:00Lukisan Sabung Ayam<a href="sabung-online.org" rel="nofollow"> Lukisan Sabung Ayam </a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02308630622046707938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-87554810210629368062015-09-23T16:25:16.557-04:002015-09-23T16:25:16.557-04:00Another good article on the Pope at National Revie...Another good article on the Pope at <i>National Review</i>, this time from libertarian(-ish) Catholic Kevin D. Williamson:<br /><a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/article/424467/pope-francis-economics-public-policy-fallible" rel="nofollow">LINK</a>Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453591141757808708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-70306898216461116572015-09-23T16:12:54.556-04:002015-09-23T16:12:54.556-04:00"I appreciate the unfailing commitment of the...<br />"I appreciate the unfailing commitment of the Church in America to the cause of life and that of the family, which is the primary reason for my present visit." —Pope Francis<br /><br />Huh. But the media said it was about excoriating Republicans Americans for their greed and global warming? And he was moving past abortion, trying to make it kosher for Catholics or something. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/article/424524/pope-francis-pro-life-speech-bishops-us-visit" rel="nofollow">LINK</a>Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453591141757808708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-34283315685166399812015-09-22T23:19:15.304-04:002015-09-22T23:19:15.304-04:00Kit, Thanks for the link! That is an excellent ar...Kit, Thanks for the link! That is an excellent article and I agree almost entirely with it. The one thing I would add which Ponnuru glosses over if the Pope's experience with "crony capitalism" in South America. When he talks about "capitalism," he's not talking about free markets, he's talking about rigged crony markets. I think that's an important point to add to an article that otherwise really dissects well why the Pope is not a progressive.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-74301302266104475372015-09-22T22:51:56.447-04:002015-09-22T22:51:56.447-04:00I think Ramesh Ponnuru has the most balanced artic...I think Ramesh Ponnuru has the most balanced article on Pope Francis. Worth reading, even if it is a tad long.<br /><a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/article/424413/pope-francis-image-has-been-shaped-by-his-remarks" rel="nofollow">LINK</a>Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453591141757808708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-65674870444794929262015-09-22T22:07:14.596-04:002015-09-22T22:07:14.596-04:00tryanmax, The commie line is definitely the most p...tryanmax, The commie line is definitely the most prominent.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-73583457716997986102015-09-22T22:06:50.452-04:002015-09-22T22:06:50.452-04:00Peace, Bev! :DPeace, Bev! :DAndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-63116664267229082512015-09-22T20:37:23.075-04:002015-09-22T20:37:23.075-04:00OT: I am now officially observing Yom Kippur and ...OT: I am now officially observing Yom Kippur and atoning for my many sins, so I will offline until sundown tomorrow. Peace to all.BevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-80955816276729741562015-09-22T17:50:33.328-04:002015-09-22T17:50:33.328-04:00Just to be clear, I'm not saying the right doe...Just to be clear, I'm not saying the right doesn't attack the Pope every time he sneezes. But they consistently attack him for being a commie. (That sneeze sounded an awful lot like "Trotsky.") <br /><br />I'm sure some shirtless basement blogger thinks the Pope should bring back stoning adulteresses, but the bulk of the right is pretty fixated on the Red Vatican. tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-87806659788132185812015-09-22T17:43:51.220-04:002015-09-22T17:43:51.220-04:00Yipes! That's all kind of cray-cray....well, ...Yipes! That's all kind of cray-cray....well, except for the"terminator robots", That is really happening, I just know it because I read "...somewhere that something was being written, I can't remember where, but someone named Jenny wrote that Susan heard from Bobby that Kendall got a text from Devin that said that Marty thinks he heard April say that she saw something like that..."<br /><br /><i>Hat-tip to Tryanmax!</i>BevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-58672390977222901212015-09-22T17:10:01.315-04:002015-09-22T17:10:01.315-04:00Bev, Just to give you a sense of some of the fun, ...Bev, Just to give you a sense of some of the fun, here are some of the latest issues being addressed by the whack-a-doddle crowd:<br /><br />1. The Marines are buying "terminator" robots, who will take over the country.<br /><br />2. Romney is secretly planning to run as a Third Party candidate to stop Trump.<br /><br />3. There are liberal secret agents who have infiltrated the Trump campaign... for some dastardly reason.<br /><br />4. Obama is giving billions in welfare to Syrian refugees, even as "most" Americans have no jobs and can't get welfare.<br /><br />5. Women are being forced into abortions so PP can sell the tissue.<br /><br />6. You will soon need a passport to board a domestic flight.<br /><br />And so on.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-6103760544384612952015-09-22T17:00:35.222-04:002015-09-22T17:00:35.222-04:00Bev, You wouldn't believe the nutjobs I keep t...Bev, You wouldn't believe the nutjobs I keep track of... both left and right, just to see what they're thinking. These people are all convinced that America is about five minutes away from collapsing into a Mad Max kind of world. And there isn't a conspiracy theory they don't believe. They need a lot of help.<br /><br />Unfortunately, they tend to be the people who support Trump and Sanders.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-84557770711473679792015-09-22T16:55:02.535-04:002015-09-22T16:55:02.535-04:00Wow, Andrew, you hang out with a rough cyber-crowd...Wow, Andrew, you hang out with a rough cyber-crowd. No wonder you are cynical. ;-PBevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-49826361633752009932015-09-22T16:40:55.660-04:002015-09-22T16:40:55.660-04:00tryanmax and Bev, I don't see anyone on the ac...tryanmax and Bev, I don't see anyone on the actual right or center right attacking the Pope, but I do see a lot of the fringers... especially bloggers. Every time there is some Pope headline, my dashboard lights up like an air raid siren of idiocy with "the Pope is a commie!"<br /><br />Fox News is waging a war against the Pope too. Gutfield called him "the most dangerous man in the world." Kilmeade said the Pope "is in the wrong country and should stay home." Chris Wallace said, "some of the Pope's comments have no place in this country."<br /><br />I've seen comments from the Talk Radio crowd too.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-28539476401613238082015-09-22T16:31:26.191-04:002015-09-22T16:31:26.191-04:00Tryanmax - It think the whole "whisper down t...Tryanmax - It think the whole "whisper down the lane" analogy is right on the money. All I have seen is the left accusing the right of being upset by the Pope. But not much from the right.<br /><br />I think most non-Catholic Christians really don't care one way or the other about what the Pope does or doesn't do or say. Actually, if there is any group that may be more vocally critical, it would be the conservative Catholics who don't really know what they are supposed to be doing or thinking or believing. <br /><br />BevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-4714701358134672452015-09-22T16:11:45.389-04:002015-09-22T16:11:45.389-04:00Andrew, trust me, I have no dog in any fight betwe...Andrew, trust me, I have no dog in any fight between the Pope and Fox News, but that’s not at all what I remember. True, his "who am I to judge?" statement re:homosexuality left a lot of conservatives scratching heads. That started the Obama comparisons, in the sense of being an appeaser. And from there followed the musings and accusations of being a communist. <br /><br />Since then, the criticisms of the Pope from the right have consistently followed that vein. It's the left-leaning outlets that purport to decode the dog-whistle homophobia, sexism, and even racism hidden in their wonkish economic critiques. Plus, there is a steady stream of "Why Conservatives Hate the Pope" articles always being written wherein Jenny writes that Susan heard from Bobby that Kendall got a text from Devin that said that Marty thinks he heard April say that the Pope is a doo-doo head. tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-20796365597930766262015-09-22T14:08:53.278-04:002015-09-22T14:08:53.278-04:00Andrew - LOL! That would be awesomeAndrew - LOL! That would be awesomeBevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-82783811823524840322015-09-22T13:10:36.264-04:002015-09-22T13:10:36.264-04:00Bev, I would put that down to Obama being an ass o...Bev, I would put that down to Obama being an ass of Biblical proportions.<br /><br />I'd love for the Pope to invite him to dinner and then bring along the head of the KKK, someone who knows how many states there are, and whoever used to sell Obama weed.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-83309241505711987182015-09-22T13:08:38.187-04:002015-09-22T13:08:38.187-04:00Bev, I've already dismissed your opinion becau...Bev, I've already dismissed your opinion because obviously you work for Cynica Co. -- the makers of pre-packaged internet grade cynicism. ;-)<br /><br />Seriously, I agree. There is a very strange quality to this Twitter world where millions of people are out there giving opinions that no one else actually reads or cares about. On the one hand, I guess it's great that people feel like they can speak their minds. But it really is the equivalent of talking to yourself and when you think of it that way, it seems kind of weird. Maybe people should be talking to their friends and neighbors instead?AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-82024496551697789302015-09-22T13:07:39.889-04:002015-09-22T13:07:39.889-04:00As to the Pope - It is hard not to be polarized ab...As to the Pope - It is hard not to be polarized about Pope Francis when even the President tries to embarrass him with all of the lapsed Catholics and in explicable a few Episcopalians he has invited to greet the Pope at the WH. A lesbian who was fired by a Catholic school for her gay marriage, the first openly gay Episcopal bishop, a leader for transgender rights, a gay Catholic blogger and a prominent nun-lobbyist who bucked the bishops on the Affordable Care Act. It is kind of like Obama just can't help himself in causing a divide.BevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-34645562794590034742015-09-22T12:50:40.732-04:002015-09-22T12:50:40.732-04:00Wow, I didn't mean to be so cynical or maybe n...Wow, I didn't mean to be so cynical or maybe not cynical enough about cynicism. ;-) Andrew, I agree that we seem stuck in this polarized world. The other thing that you commented on last week was our lack of reason and we are now in a world of over-reacting to everything. I also agree with that. We are no longer allowed to be the reasonable middle ground waiting for all the facts before casting our learned opinion out into the hyper-speed of the interwebs. So everyone shoots their mouth off because who doesn't want that viral tweet, video, or meme to make them famous or infamous. We have entered a world of micromanaging and dissecting every single syllable for that "gotcha". Twitter is the worst for this kind of stuff.. [See: Anthony's weiner...]<br /><br />There is a certain kind of "speaking truth to power" run amok in all of this. Yeah, I can tweet my displeasure directly to the President, but how does that really change anything? It just seems that we are digging our heels in more because we CAN speak truth to power directly.BevfromNYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-40068484646361711642015-09-22T12:40:49.453-04:002015-09-22T12:40:49.453-04:00Speaking of movable type, Adrian Frutiger recently...Speaking of movable type, Adrian Frutiger recently passed away.<br /><br />[crickets]<br /><br />Okay, he was one of the great typographers, whose typefaces include Frutiger and Univers. More <a href="http://gizmodo.com/rip-adrian-frutiger-youve-seen-his-elegant-typefaces-e-1730617473" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />As for cynicism, it sucks and destroys everything it touches. It's also why I try to avoid most political commentary, otherwise I'd become cynical and I don't want that! It's gonna be a long year till the election.ScottDShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09619078842202925064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-13227570345302670812015-09-22T12:01:47.716-04:002015-09-22T12:01:47.716-04:00I'll say more late, but for right now, let me ...I'll say more late, but for right now, let me add this thought:<br /><br />If in his address before Congress, the Pope mentions the Planned Parenthood videos, "which have reminded us that abortion extinguishes a human life", or says something along those lines about abortion, he can ramble on about economics and global warming all he wants. Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453591141757808708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-15595603213782815582015-09-22T11:43:25.966-04:002015-09-22T11:43:25.966-04:00tryanmax, They actually started outside the realm ...tryanmax, They actually started outside the realm of economics. The first thing that upset them was when he made the Church "pro-gay marriage"... which of course, he did not do. He said the Church needed to de-emphasize issues like gay marriage, but that it would not change its stance. That caused the initial pogrom.<br /><br />Then he dared to get rid of some of the imperial trappings of the Papacy and to actually do things like touch poor people. He also ordered the Church's priests to get out of their Churches and go see the poor. That really pissed off the right for some reason.<br /><br />Then the economics came up.<br /><br />Now they have added that he's forgiving women who've had abortions, that he's pro-environment and he's even anti-nuclear weapon!<br /><br />In any event, you are correct that the right's opposition to him is based on the MSM's misinterpretation of what he's said. They take his words without context or genuine analysis, spin them as leftist talking points, and the right freaks out. It would be funny if it wasn't such a completely lost opportunity to explain the merits of conservatism and why the Pope's words fit perfectly with that.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-6907087884662721582015-09-22T11:32:45.955-04:002015-09-22T11:32:45.955-04:00To the right's credit, their opposition to the...To the right's credit, their opposition to the Pope is--as far as I've seen--very strictly limited to economic concerns. And I think most of that comes down to a language/culture barrier where capitalism means something very different in the Latin world. So, in essence, the left is twisting the Pope's words to say "he's on our side!" Unfortunately, the right is buying that last bit instead of arguing, "no, what the Pope really said was..." That said, this Pope does seem rather credulous to some currently fashionable policy movements--and I don't think anyone is wrong to call him on that.<br /><br />On social issues, the left just can't cozy up to him b/c the Catholic church is more socially conservative than the political right in this country. What they like about this Pope is that he frames economic matters in social terms, such that when George Will offers a cogent criticism of the Pope's apparent fiscal beleifs, Salon can dismissively say that George doesn't "get it" without ever addressing what "it" is. And how dare he criticize that nice old man!tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.com