tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post3945027547120359067..comments2024-01-05T06:18:18.086-05:00Comments on CommentaramaPolitics: Copenhagen: Danger Will Robinson. . .AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-32461035893769055292009-10-21T11:48:47.888-04:002009-10-21T11:48:47.888-04:00CrispyRice, Thanks! Time is all relative. This i...CrispyRice, Thanks! Time is all relative. This is one issue we should pay attention to, and I'm glad you're writing your Congressman -- just wait until we hear something a little more definite next month.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-28143825392486665962009-10-21T11:47:10.791-04:002009-10-21T11:47:10.791-04:00Mega, You're welcome. That's why we'r...Mega, You're welcome. That's why we're here -- to talk about this stuff. If you and anyone else has questions on a topic, just post them or e-mail them and we'll see what we can do.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-77543828459478163902009-10-21T10:07:14.575-04:002009-10-21T10:07:14.575-04:00Thanks for the summary, Andrew! Another great art...Thanks for the summary, Andrew! Another great article. Where do you find the time to track all this stuff down? Guess I have more letters to write to my Congressmen.<br><br>Like WriterX, I heard Monchton's speech on a semi-local / syndicated morning show - Quinn and Rose. If anyone is interested, they're going to replay it tomorrow morning at the top of the 2nd hour. You can listen to them live online or download their podcasts for free from their home station's website:<br><br>http://wpgb.com/cc-common/podcast.htmlCrispyRicehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07302075204880024936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-32972769572379686302009-10-21T01:33:28.670-04:002009-10-21T01:33:28.670-04:00Thanks for summarizing this for us. I see article...Thanks for summarizing this for us. I see articles on this on the news, but they never make much sense. Now I know what's going on! That's why I come here every day too, right after Drudge.<br><br>I saw each of you at BH for the first time too. I haven't been over there in a while though.MegaTrollhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03234420338804013858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-8730855671782393192009-10-20T21:23:42.129-04:002009-10-20T21:23:42.129-04:00I posted this on my blog as well and let me say th...I posted this on my blog as well and let me say that it has stirred some patriotic support for Mr O dude. I invite you all to come help defend what is just and right and participate in my blogging against this tyranny. Look me up on facebook if you want under the name cronickain or Rob Adams. Come, join the fight!ArmChairGeneralhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08198920658123610173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-34448652229565493472009-10-20T20:06:02.967-04:002009-10-20T20:06:02.967-04:00Cheryl, You're welcome. This one is certainly...Cheryl, You're welcome. This one is certainly worth looking into! This whole treaty could be very bad news.<br><br>And thanks for the kind words. That's high praise to add us to the list with BH! I keep trying to get over to BH, but it's been a particularly busy six months suddenly, and with trying to keep up the pace with the articles here (and doing the day job), I haven't had the chance to get over there as much as I would like.<br><br>(I do miss messing with the trolls. . . that was always fun.)AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-51827829883070121062009-10-20T20:01:14.925-04:002009-10-20T20:01:14.925-04:00ACG, Well said. Hear hear! It makes me happy to ...ACG, Well said. Hear hear! It makes me happy to see so many Americans start to get involved to protect their country. Very proud! :-)AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-77123972940665763252009-10-20T19:51:25.793-04:002009-10-20T19:51:25.793-04:00Wow! I'm so stirred by what ArmChairGeneral ju...Wow! I'm so stirred by what ArmChairGeneral just said that I forgot what I was gonna say!!<br><br>Oh yeah... Andrew, thanks so much for this article. When I saw that small piece of Monchton's speech I was very disturbed! Thanks for making sense of it.<br><br>I echo USArtguy. I too found Commentarama through BH and now come here first. I have noticed your absence over at BH and miss your humorous and/or insightful replies. (Especially to the trolls - no one can zing them like you and Lawhawk!)<br>But I guess all the time you spend here on articles like this leaves little time for playing over at BH.Cherylhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15486596560358008036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-21863222517986121882009-10-20T18:13:38.483-04:002009-10-20T18:13:38.483-04:00Obama IS a fascist socialist Marxist in the same v...Obama IS a fascist socialist Marxist in the same vein as Hitler, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Min, Stalin, Saddam Hussein, Ahmadinejad, Castro and Che and deserves nothing less than to be treated as a traitor to the United States Constitution! He is attacking free speech!<br><br>So what if Fox News doesn't like him.. So what? It's our GOD GIVEN RIGHT as Americans to not like the government. It's why the founding fathers wanted us to be a Republic just shy of an Anarchy. The government is always corrupt. Pigs watching over pork nothing more the whole lot of them.<br><br>Stand up and fight for the constitution which is most assuredly NOT a living document. Fight for your rights before they are gone. Fight communism here and fight against this administration. I have made my choice. Political correctness and liberalism is the path to communism. Obama is my enemy and whether or not you know it if you love freedom he is also yours.ArmChairGeneralhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08198920658123610173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-25264608387590732802009-10-20T16:47:10.997-04:002009-10-20T16:47:10.997-04:00Anonymous, You raise an excellent question.If it p...Anonymous, You raise an excellent question.<br><br>If it passes, we are theoretically bound by its terms. So if we refuse to live up to our end, other countries would be "justified" in imposing whatever sanctions are allowed under the treaty. But that depends on whether or not they have the will to do it -- which is rare against a country of our size and importance (same thing with countries like China).<br><br>But there is one more aspect that needs to be considered. Since the treaty becomes US law, we are theoretically bound by it in that United States courts will enforce it just like they would any other law passed by Congress. Thus, theoretically, other treaty countries could sue in US courts and get court orders to comply with the requirements of the treaty -- both against private persons/companies and governmental agencies.<br><br><i>However</i>, I have never seen a situation where a court has claimed to have the power to force Congress to <i>pass a law</i>. Under our Constitution, that power lies exclusively with the Congress. That's why these treaties usually require country legislatures to pass laws enacting the treaty (in addition to ratifying the treaty).<br><br>If that doesn't happen, or the laws Congress passes aren't consistent with the treaty, I'm not sure that a court would have the power to order Congress to act. In fact, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't. But that's not a settled issue to my knowledge.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-91382127264094289012009-10-20T16:06:31.190-04:002009-10-20T16:06:31.190-04:00One question. Say he signs it and it passes our es...One question. Say he signs it and it passes our esteemed idiots in DC. Who owns us NOW? We step out of line in as far as the treaty, aren't there sanctions? Wouldn't that be a UN version of an animal house food fight? We are dependent on the middle east and china et al, wouldn't they also pile on, like blood in the water? Just a question.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-9283790373141325222009-10-20T13:32:25.227-04:002009-10-20T13:32:25.227-04:00Jed, My humblest apologies. I will endeavor in th...Jed, My humblest apologies. I will endeavor in the future not to capitalize algore! LOL!<br><br>I think you're right. Unless we get enough solid conservatives in the Congress to block something like this, there is always the danger.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-45701958407395418052009-10-20T13:11:01.838-04:002009-10-20T13:11:01.838-04:00I will always worry about this stuff as long as we...I will always worry about this stuff as long as we are so under-represented in both houses of congress. Who knows what kind of back door deal Lindsey Graham will make just to get an invite to Obama's next easter egg hunt on the white house lawn.<br><br>Nice piece, Andrew. My only criticism, and it is a small 'nit' if you will, is your use of a capital "A" in the heinous noun "algore" since doing so ascribes a certain level of importance that simply does not exist.Tennessee Jedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10604275115906776992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-38881768533264686272009-10-20T11:10:35.980-04:002009-10-20T11:10:35.980-04:00You're welcome X. I'm glad he brought thi...You're welcome X. I'm glad he brought this to everyone's attention. And I would love to get a look at the treaty itself -- I just can't find it anywhere.<br><br>There is a "Copenhagen Treaty" floating around on line, but it was created by the WWF and Greenpeace as a wishlist -- it's not the real treaty.<br><br>Fortunately, we have time to wait and watch.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-21949718353490499782009-10-20T11:04:09.222-04:002009-10-20T11:04:09.222-04:00I listened to parts of Monchton's speech yeste...I listened to parts of Monchton's speech yesterday on a local morning radio program that I listen to. It was alarming, so thank you for providing additional clarity for it here. Obama is too easily manipulated by people outside his own country and for that we should remain vigilant.Writer Xhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16505411188186283813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-89402512484732124132009-10-20T10:42:13.974-04:002009-10-20T10:42:13.974-04:00USArtguy, You're absolutely right on the Law o...USArtguy, You're absolutely right on the Law of the Sea Treaty. I've been wary of that one since Reagan refused to sign it. Not only does it include the environmental provisions you are talking about, but:<br><br>(1) it's leading to conflict as countries fight about what is considered territorial waters and what isn't -- see the Spratly Islands, which actually resulted in some minor shooting a few years back between various Asian navies; and<br><br>(2) it provides that the sea floor belongs to the human race, and thus third world countries are entitled to a cut of anything that western companies manage to mine from the floor or below -- beyond the territorial waters.<br><br>That's socialism pure and simple. That's why Reagan (and Clinton) refused to sign it. But Bush did. Don't get me started.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-78254914482390563662009-10-20T10:38:08.824-04:002009-10-20T10:38:08.824-04:00Thanks Stan, I didn't get a chance to hear Rus...Thanks Stan, I didn't get a chance to hear Rush yesterday, though I have to admit that a reader asked me about this issue.<br><br>I think your Spidey senses are right on. I think Obama would love to sign this "to improve relations with the world" so long as it doesn't have an impact on the economy until after he's gone.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-62385447989645067122009-10-20T10:24:56.175-04:002009-10-20T10:24:56.175-04:00Another treaty that I only know a little about, th...Another treaty that I only know a little about, though more than the Copenhagen one, is the Law Of The Sea Treaty or "LOST". This is a treaty that has it's beginnings back in 1973 and, though modified several times, had never been signed until George Bush signed it in 2004. It's thought he signed it to throw a bone to the enviros knowing it wouldn't be ratified. Unfortunately now, as recently as Spring, the Democrat Senate is pushing its ratification.<br><br>One of the criticisms is it could force the U.S. to comply with unspecified environmental codes, and that the treaty gives environmental activists the legal standing to sue over river pollution and shut down industry, simply because rivers feed into the sea.<br><br>"We gain sovereignty, we gain territory, we gain access to places that we have not had access to as easily," said Don Kraus, president of Citizens for Global Solutions, a group that advocates strengthening international institutions. "We don't stand to lose anything."<br><br>Wikipedia has some sanitized information about it but a better place to refer to is <br><br>http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/12/lost-found-senate-moves-ratification-un-treaty/USArtguyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06062334713741697082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-90123844308619745742009-10-20T10:13:41.955-04:002009-10-20T10:13:41.955-04:00Isn’t it all to convenient how our Marxist myrmido...Isn’t it all to convenient how our Marxist myrmidons get in perfect unison when it comes to screwing the west, most especially the USA. I’m with you, it’s to early to jump on Barry, but my spidey senses tell me that he would love to sign any treaty that links America with the socialist of the world. Thank God for the foresight of the Founders, and the possibility of a dictator wannabe (Barry) in the executive, needing to be balanced out by the judicial, and legislative. Rush was talking about this yesterday, good follow up article Andrew! Keeping watch…StanHhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07395708786509590321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-87656739328549351562009-10-20T10:09:44.404-04:002009-10-20T10:09:44.404-04:00Thanks USArtguy! :-) On behalf of the team, I...Thanks USArtguy! :-) On behalf of the team, I'm flattered!<br><br>Of the 37, none of them are anywhere near what they promised, except possibly one or two of the Nordic countries -- I think Norway might be close because they use a ton of hydroelectric power.<br><br>There has been a ton of action by the 37 countries, but almost all of it was smoke and mirrors. Take for example, the European "cap and trade" plan. They passed it to much fanfare, but then set the allowable levels of pollution so high that no one actually had to make any cuts. Still, they patted themselves on the back and pointed an effete finger at us for not acting.<br><br>You're right about our politicians and the danger of Copenhagen, that's why we should pay attention. But we should wait to raise the outrage level until we know more. It's very possible that there won't be an agreement or that it won't do much more than we've already decided to do.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-56373126788487151772009-10-20T09:53:13.239-04:002009-10-20T09:53:13.239-04:00Thank you Andrew for presenting what there is of t...Thank you Andrew for presenting what there is of this subject clearly. The Copenhagen Treaty has sort of been on the periphery of my radar. I've wanted to know more but haven't heard many details and haven't found much time to research it. <br><br>I did remember that the Senate has to ratify any treaty before it becomes official (at least as far as the US is concerned) and wasn't too worried. Still, because Obama's party has a 60 seat super majority that doesn't read anything they pass, I am a little concerned that he might submit a horrendous treaty and it would actually get ratified. While no one outside the US can make us comply, our own ignorant politicians can.<br><br>I would like to know how many of hose 37 countries who are supposed to have cut their emmissions 5% below 1990 levels are even coming close. I'm guessing none.<br><br>As an aside, I found Commentara by way of Big Hollywood, but for a while now, because of articles like this, I've been coming here first.USArtguyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06062334713741697082noreply@blogger.com