tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post6239871533337769806..comments2024-01-05T06:18:18.086-05:00Comments on CommentaramaPolitics: Fear and Loathing In D.C.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-41973157348368685602009-12-18T10:41:56.423-05:002009-12-18T10:41:56.423-05:00Good for you Mike! I hope Lieberman eventually ha...Good for you Mike! I hope Lieberman eventually hangs tough on this.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-31446423450537974102009-12-17T22:46:30.261-05:002009-12-17T22:46:30.261-05:00I'm one voter from Connecticut who's sent ...I'm one voter from Connecticut who's sent Lieberman a thank you note. Tomorrow I'll write him again, about some of the other concerns I have about what I'm hearing about the bill. <br><br>It's not like the leftists here are ever going to vote for him now---they're going after the man's <i>wife,</i> for crying out loud I'm hoping he'll realize he's going to have to please his more moderate constituents on this one.Mike Kriskeyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17216987126441598720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-4998688455422010742009-12-17T11:49:41.329-05:002009-12-17T11:49:41.329-05:00StanH: Just because it's too early to attack,...StanH: Just because it's too early to attack, that doesn't mean that it's too early to formulate a strategy. We're with you on using their own legal tactics against them as soon as possible. For now, we have to settle for polishing up our law books. LOLLawHawkSFhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-7778693609426976032009-12-17T09:53:59.489-05:002009-12-17T09:53:59.489-05:00Patti, You're method works too! LOL!Patti, You're method works too! LOL!AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-13904399724279713472009-12-17T09:53:43.844-05:002009-12-17T09:53:43.844-05:00Bev, That will be interesting to see what comes ou...Bev, That will be interesting to see what comes out of the reconciliation committee and if it's palatable to anyone.<br><br>Stan, There are definitely points that could be attacked, but we need to wait to see what the bill looks like -- you can't challenge a bill until it exists.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-71610294956607443112009-12-17T09:51:53.830-05:002009-12-17T09:51:53.830-05:00Opus 6, Great! Everyone should keep the pressure ...Opus 6, Great! Everyone should keep the pressure up on these people. They need to know that the public is angry about this.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-82794640803928366032009-12-17T09:39:30.315-05:002009-12-17T09:39:30.315-05:00Oh yeah, you can’t go off half cocked, you must ha...Oh yeah, you can’t go off half cocked, you must have a target first. Wouldn’t you reckon that “Judicial Watch” and like groups will tear into, for instance, the Constitutionality of a mandate to purchase healthcare. It appears Lawhawk, that this works like a charm in California (endangered species). I guess my point is, we on the right need to use all weapons available to fight these leftist creeps, and their terrible policies.StanHhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07395708786509590321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-26838820559371400462009-12-17T09:01:39.009-05:002009-12-17T09:01:39.009-05:00andrew: i feel you may be the ying to my yang. wh...andrew: i feel you may be the ying to my yang. while you call libbies petulant and unbalanced, i call them....well, you KNOW what i call them. same sentiment, different levels of restraint :)<br><br>"billocide" gave me a YYEEEEAAAAAAAA!<br><br>seems all we have to do is get out of the dems way and let them kill their own. and a merry christmas to all!pattihttp://www.notawonk.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-10235187965128148602009-12-17T00:38:15.966-05:002009-12-17T00:38:15.966-05:00I just hope the delays keep coming. I mean really....I just hope the delays keep coming. I mean really. If they had the votes in July, August, September, anytime. It would already have been passed. I called all Dem senators yesterday and I will keep doing it. They need to feel our opposition daily.Opus #6http://www.blogger.com/profile/02063785617333740178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-66628263799011435492009-12-16T23:55:47.292-05:002009-12-16T23:55:47.292-05:00StanH: The doctrine of ripeness and the requireme...StanH: The doctrine of ripeness and the requirement that the federal courts address cases and controversies would stop us cold in our tracks. It's nearly impossible to stop anyone, including Congress, from doing something that is not yet in any coherent form, and which cannot yet allow the law to discern which portions of the legislation might be unlawful or unconstitutional. <br><br>As much as I am an enthusiastic supporter of the legal dictum "sue the bastards," it's just too soon. But as Andrew said very succinctly, it's an interesting thought that we'll need to ponder.LawHawkSFhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-12160019250142270932009-12-16T23:20:13.534-05:002009-12-16T23:20:13.534-05:00Yes, but the real fun will start when they have to...Yes, but the real fun will start when they have to reconcile both bills into one bill. Now, that's going to be some fun...BevfromNYChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-832246943342162362009-12-16T22:35:28.479-05:002009-12-16T22:35:28.479-05:00Stan, We need to wait and see how the final bill t...Stan, We need to wait and see how the final bill turns out before we could make any real assessment of how we could go about trying to block the bill or any parts of it.<br><br>In reality, however, the bill is going to take so long before most of it kicks in (other than the tax hikes) that we should have plenty of time to undo the damage.<br><br>Still, it's an interesting thought that we'll need to ponder.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-69589932728571211622009-12-16T22:32:59.807-05:002009-12-16T22:32:59.807-05:00Bev, I'm enjoying it a lot too. Sadly, I susp...Bev, I'm enjoying it a lot too. Sadly, I suspect the fun will end soon and they will get something passed. But in the meantime, I will enjoy watching Lieberman wreck havoc on their parties. And you're right about Dean. As they say, what goes around comes around.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-41128954772487925852009-12-16T22:13:56.735-05:002009-12-16T22:13:56.735-05:00I'm having a great time watching Lieberman for...I'm having a great time watching Lieberman force the gutting of the Senate bill and the Democrats only have Howard Dean to blame for it. If he hadn't screwed Lieberman, Lieberman would be still be a full fledged nearly completely controllable Blue Dog Democrat instead of nearly uncontrollable Independant. Hopefully he will be rewarded in 2010 by the Republicans...BevfromNYChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-56482846949097276462009-12-16T22:03:28.463-05:002009-12-16T22:03:28.463-05:00Wow Lawhawk, Band-Aids assorted sizes, …what about...Wow Lawhawk, Band-Aids assorted sizes, …what about different colors? <br><br>You guys are the lawyers, what about attacking this monstrosity through the courts. Use the tact of the left and sew it up in court. Andrew touched on this on an earlier post, if it’s weak maybe it can be stopped or delayed in the courts, until the voters can deliver the ultimate solution in 2010 etc. Just a thought.StanHhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07395708786509590321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-59061689474307996662009-12-16T21:46:55.410-05:002009-12-16T21:46:55.410-05:00Lawhawk, I hope you're right. Even if they on...Lawhawk, I hope you're right. Even if they only get through what's left in the Baucus bill, it could still be pretty damaging.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-80964426871756805262009-12-16T21:21:15.358-05:002009-12-16T21:21:15.358-05:00Stan and Andrew: I agree that they'll get som...Stan and Andrew: I agree that they'll get something, but it won't be much. Free Band-Aids in assorted shapes for everyone over the age of 2, maybe. I have some hope that at this point, whatever they do come up with won't fool anybody and won't satisfy anybody, and will leave us in a position to undo whatever little interference in medical care that they do get at the polls in the next two election cycles.LawHawkSFhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-79805378113463352972009-12-16T20:59:50.067-05:002009-12-16T20:59:50.067-05:00Stan, I'm sure they'll get something out o...Stan, I'm sure they'll get something out of the Senate. Then the fight returns to the House.<br><br>In the end, I agree that they'll get something through.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-56219227611090532642009-12-16T20:50:12.182-05:002009-12-16T20:50:12.182-05:00SNAFU! All’s right with the world, cause everythin...SNAFU! All’s right with the world, cause everything is screwed up in Washington. They will get something through, and call it healthcare reform. As the election approaches maybe they’ll break into open warfare in the House and Senate as they start to understand the tail kicking that’s coming in their direction in 2010.StanHhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07395708786509590321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-8376373639178136522009-12-16T19:00:43.868-05:002009-12-16T19:00:43.868-05:00So Rush is now running the secret cabal that keeps...So Rush is now running the secret cabal that keeps the Democrats from voting the way they promised? And here I thought it was still Dick Cheney? LOL!!<br><br>Yeah, leadership is letting the other guy go first. Nice philosophy from Madame Pelosi.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-27455755856732016672009-12-16T18:48:57.608-05:002009-12-16T18:48:57.608-05:00Yes, Andrew, I heard Pelosi said today that "...Yes, Andrew, I heard Pelosi said today that "next time" the Senate is going to have to stick their necks out and vote before the House does. Way to show leadership! ;)<br><br>Just give the Republicans the House and the Dems can blame everything on them again. Meanwhile, as LawHawk points out, Rush will have to do! LOL! Nothing like being the most powerful man on the planet while at the same time "nothing but an entertainer" eh?CrispyRicehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07302075204880024936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-57684104759185780172009-12-16T18:45:48.760-05:002009-12-16T18:45:48.760-05:00Andrew: I thought the common enemy was Rush Limba...Andrew: I thought the common enemy was Rush Limbaugh. LOLLawHawkSFhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-28597986390917629622009-12-16T18:37:23.857-05:002009-12-16T18:37:23.857-05:00CrispyRice, So cynical. . . :-(Actually, you'r...CrispyRice, So cynical. . . :-(<br><br>Actually, you're right. I think they will eventually pass a watered-down monster that will need to be euthanized by some future Congress.<br><br>You're also right that their civil war will end as soon as they can find a common enemy worth fighting. They've been trying that already. Several of them are suggesting that "the real enemy" are the Republicans. But it's not working because the Republicans have no power to stop anything, so that hasn't managed to stop the infighting yet.<br><br>Interestingly, the intensity keeps going up. Now the House Democrats are now piling on as well, attacking the Senate Democrats for dithering, with some very public attacks on Reid's leadership skills (or lack thereof).AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-83265792607519848902009-12-16T18:31:25.036-05:002009-12-16T18:31:25.036-05:00While I do find it entertaining, I have a deep-sea...While I do find it entertaining, I have a deep-seated (and not irrational) fear that the Dems will pull together in the end and pass some piece of junk. Ugh.<br><br>And as for the Dems falling apart, Andrew, I think it's only going to last as long as they don't have anyone to band together against. As soon as we have a Republican "in charge" again - either as taking back over the House in 2010 or as a new prez in 2012, they'll quickly forget their sniping.CrispyRicehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07302075204880024936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-54137816194005972902009-12-16T18:17:02.883-05:002009-12-16T18:17:02.883-05:00Lawhawk, This is amazing. I've never seen any...Lawhawk, This is amazing. I've never seen anything like it, but it's obviously been years in the making. They are falling apart as a party and all that's left is vendetta and force.<br><br>This is basically becoming a Democratic verbal civil war. You can feel the hate coming off several of these quotes. I almost expect this whole thing to end with Pelosi or Reid knifing Joe on the floor of the Senate: "Et tu Dingy Harry?"AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.com