tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post778527804306467295..comments2024-01-05T06:18:18.086-05:00Comments on CommentaramaPolitics: An Insight Into Why Democrats Have Soured On ObamaAndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-76931988514257589902010-09-15T11:14:12.285-04:002010-09-15T11:14:12.285-04:00Thanks DUQ! Jilted lover actually sounds pretty a...Thanks DUQ! Jilted lover actually sounds pretty accurate.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-65335026201279171292010-09-15T11:11:19.834-04:002010-09-15T11:11:19.834-04:00LOL @ "jilted lover"! That's perfec...LOL @ "jilted lover"! That's perfect!<br><br>Another great article, Andrew.DUQhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08746724287720239837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-73792469268673953352010-09-14T22:44:29.722-04:002010-09-14T22:44:29.722-04:00Bev, I hate to say it, but a little insanity may b...Bev, I hate to say it, but a little insanity may be called for. At, let me put it this way, a little common sense (which sounds like insanity if you live in Washington) may be called up.<br><br>So what happened with the rally?AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-57710550826292648372010-09-14T22:43:25.153-04:002010-09-14T22:43:25.153-04:00Patti, It reminds me of that moment when your frie...Patti, It reminds me of that moment when your friend says, "you know, I'm starting to think that dating that girl in prison wasn't really a great idea". . . after spending months ignoring your advice and telling you that you're a jerk for not seeing their true love. On the one hand, you're glad they see the light. On the other, you want to beat them savagely for being so darn stupid.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-41221409258361382382010-09-14T22:41:32.985-04:002010-09-14T22:41:32.985-04:00Ed, I think the problem is that there is so much t...Ed, I think the problem is that there is so much to consider, and it seems hard to imagine that someone can't learn from their mistakes -- though many fewer people can than you would think. So it's hard to feel certain. But I've seen nothing at this point that tells me that has the ability to adjust his behavior.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-70983782558095692572010-09-14T21:48:17.205-04:002010-09-14T21:48:17.205-04:00Patti - If we can, at the very least, bring a bala...Patti - If we can, at the very least, bring a balance back into Congress, we can stop the madness (or who knows, maybe have just have different madness). BUT we only have 2 more years. Keep the faith and if you can't do that, remember you're a Texan!!!! For Texans, secession is always an viable option...<br><br>The next issue (hopefully) will be what Conservative is worthy of our support for the Presidency?BevfromNYChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14953050916932306270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-21494112379409547722010-09-14T20:50:18.580-04:002010-09-14T20:50:18.580-04:00prior to barry being elected, i was stunned by how...prior to barry being elected, i was stunned by how many couldn't seem to see what i saw in barry: a dishonest dangerous man who wanted to steal from the majority of americans to get what he wanted out of the deal. when people talked of his promise, i swear, i wanted to puke. now that these "duped" non-thinkers are furious, amuses and sickens me all over again.<br><br>MAKE THE RIDE STOP! i want off....Pattihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15388997298014397980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-14655968213530450252010-09-14T20:44:10.886-04:002010-09-14T20:44:10.886-04:00Excellent points! I hope you're right. I don&...Excellent points! I hope you're right. I don't think Obama will recover either, but I can't say exactly why, it's just a sense that he can't do it.Ednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-82585692249282161452010-09-14T20:00:28.095-04:002010-09-14T20:00:28.095-04:00wahsatchmo, LOL! Wow, I feel dirty too just readin...wahsatchmo, LOL! Wow, I feel dirty too just reading your comment! Thanks for the images that have been seared into my mind. Yuck!<br><br>I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt that the article had the feel of a jilted lover. It really did, didn't it? This wasn't just a normal analysis or even an "I'm not feeling good about how things are going article," this was personal and nasty. <br><br>I am amazed for example, how many times she implies that he's stupid, and how utterly dismissive she is of everything he's done and of the plans he has for winning her back. This really felt like the kind of venom she usually reserves for Republicans.<br><br>I'm even more fascinated by Peggy though. She seems to have washed her hands of this crew. And if that's the case, then the Democrats are in for a serious surprise this November!AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-86549237190610277092010-09-14T19:43:48.870-04:002010-09-14T19:43:48.870-04:00It’s funny, I started reading the MoDo article and...It’s funny, I started reading the MoDo article and thought, “she sounds exactly like a jilted lover!” and here you’ve got an entire article on that meme.<br><br>I think you’re also correct that Barry “Smooth Spreader (of wealth)” Sotero is not going to be able to pull off that “Hey baby, you know I only have eyes for you(r radical progressive agenda)” line that would lead him back into MoDo’s good graces. To do that, he’d have to give her one night of magical satisfaction (more than just a huff and puff and a cap and trade) and she’s realized that all this time, he never knew what to do in the “oval office”. Sure, all his friends talked up his prowess and he even got awards based on his purported stamina, but once MoDo asked him to perform for real, he was out in a flash and puffing on a cigarette before she knew it. She could only pretend he’d lived up to the hype for so long before telling all her friends what a dud he’d turned out to be.<br><br>Of course, by then he’d drained her bank account so he could party with his friends at Club Fed (Reserve), and it turns out he had a greedy, undeserving wife the whole time that he refused to divorce (public sector unions). Now MoDo’s trying to save a little face by telling all her girlfriends (us) that Barry just wasn’t man enough for her.<br><br>Wow, do I feel dirty now.wahsatchmohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15990668466361072408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-52852314622279561292010-09-14T18:27:52.475-04:002010-09-14T18:27:52.475-04:00Lawhawk, What makes you think Dowd can read? ;-)Lawhawk, What makes you think Dowd can read? ;-)AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-91120899923387418982010-09-14T18:21:27.716-04:002010-09-14T18:21:27.716-04:00Andrew: Dowd needs to get a new boyfriend, and on...Andrew: Dowd needs to get a new boyfriend, and one for her sister Peggy, too. Maybe then they'll have less time to read the Daily Kos and the HuffPo while spending the rest of their time coming up with snarky, unfunny epithets for Republicans.LawHawkRFDhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-49725126762111922962010-09-14T18:09:46.678-04:002010-09-14T18:09:46.678-04:00Ed, The other problem is that the left has misdiag...Ed, The other problem is that the left has misdiagnosed the problem. They truly seem to believe that all of their problems have been the result of random economic circumstances. That's ridiculous. And as long as they believe that, they won't make the kinds of changes that will let them bring back their base or attract the middle.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-28312719627040450112010-09-14T18:02:38.353-04:002010-09-14T18:02:38.353-04:00Ed, It's very, very hard to predict anything t...Ed, It's very, very hard to predict anything this far out.... but I think it will be nearly impossible. The reason is a combination of things. First, once you've lost an audience, getting them back is very hard -- especially when they've stopped paying attention because they no longer like you personally.<br><br>Secondly, what they want is for Obama to suddenly bring a liberal paradise. But that can't happen because (1) the Republicans won't let it happen and (2) there is no such thing, it's a contradiction in terms.<br><br>Third, Obama strikes me as a lazy quitter. I suspect that as soon as he realizes that people have stopped loving him, he'll just move on rather than trying to win them back.<br><br>But you never know, much can happen. If the Republicans play this election wrong, they could help him out. But if it's up to him alone, then I don't see it happening.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-1977927485274351602010-09-14T17:59:05.677-04:002010-09-14T17:59:05.677-04:00Interesting analysis! It does sound like the bloo...Interesting analysis! It does sound like the bloom is off the rose as it were. Do you think Obama can win them back?Ednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-33478090274083367722010-09-14T17:59:01.678-04:002010-09-14T17:59:01.678-04:00Stan, I think this article is different. Usually ...Stan, I think this article is different. Usually she's snarky and when she does take shots at Obama, they are minor shots and usually more snarky with him than snarky against him. In other words, she may poke fun at him but never in a way that would truly hurts him. This article was different, much more angry than snarky and potentially very hurtful to his popularity (assuming anyone listens to Dowd).<br><br>That said, I don't doubt that Dowd could be won back over if Obama became more of a leftist attack dog -- especially if he achieved some of the things she wants. She wants to see him trash Republicans an impose her leftist paradise.<br><br>Until he does that though, this article tells me that he's lost the benefit of the doubt.<br><br>Peggy, on the other hand, seems lost to me. Dowd's description of Peggy's comments tells me that Peggy has already decided that Obama is a loser and she wants to ride with a winner, so she's looking for the next good liberal already. And her mention that she's turned off by Obama and no longer pays attention to him tells me that she's not willing to give him a second chance.<br><br>Indeed, I would say that Peggy is a prime target for anyone on the left who wants to challenge Obama.<br><br>In the end, I think this article shows that the Democrats are serious trouble at the moment because the influential part of their bases is angry and the voting part has moved on. Neither is likely to turn out in November.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-34509612783146491972010-09-14T17:47:54.645-04:002010-09-14T17:47:54.645-04:00I get your point Andrew, and is indeed is further ...I get your point Andrew, and is indeed is further anecdotal evidence Barry’s losing the center left. However we must remember, Maureen Dowd is the snark queen of the NYT’s. You may recall in ’08 she was admonished by Barry for a passing in one of her articles about his ears. She sniffs out the prevailing winds, and attempts to encapsulate what she believes her liberal/enlightened readers want. Right now her liberal readers are upset because Barry hasn’t gone far enough to the left…WTF! I’m hearing this same meme in several liberal institutions, organizations, and individuals. It may be an attempt on the left to lull conservatives into a we can’t lose attitude, fait de compli. So, though I enjoy liberals eating their young, and as the trickle of bad press turns into a cavalcade, these bastards are still lurking about, patiently planning Americas demise, “inch by inch, everything’s a cinch.”StanHhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07395708786509590321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-14854228974813584832010-09-14T17:20:08.042-04:002010-09-14T17:20:08.042-04:00Have a nice trip/vacation Jed!It is hard to take t...Have a nice trip/vacation Jed!<br><br>It is hard to take that much liberalism at once isn't it?<br><br>I really think this is the first bit of unadulterated insight into liberal opinion we've gotten in a while. Usually, when they write articles about how Obama has failed them, they have a political point, i.e. they are trying to shape opinion. This is the first time I think we've gotten a clear view into their minds without the smoke screen because Dowd didn't think she was writing about her views on Obama -- they just came across.<br><br>And I totally agree about Peggy. She's like so many liberals who think that they're moderates with an open mind (because everyone they know thinks like they do, except for the people who are "really far left"), but the reality is that she's a confirmed liberal with all of the approved opinions and no active thought processes. She just repeats what she's being told by liberal opinion makers and mistakes that for having her own views.<br><br>In the end, I really found this article fascinating because the level of condescension was startling.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251675227852122352.post-86044257092062188292010-09-14T17:12:58.177-04:002010-09-14T17:12:58.177-04:00smug, and snotty perfectly sums up MoDo. Peggy is ...smug, and snotty perfectly sums up MoDo. Peggy is definitely deluding herself.Yours is a very interesting hypothesis, it is. I certainly don't disagree with, but it was actually hard to digest that much liberal bullshit at one time (lol) The Dowd sisters border on those two words Rahm got trashed for starting with the letters F and R. <br><br>As a btw, thelettering you used actually contains the logo for my favorite cigar illusione. Also, am away from tomorrow through Sunday so catch up with you guys next Monday.Tennessee Jedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10604275115906776992noreply@blogger.com