Obamacare just can’t catch a break. . . evil never does. It looks like the numbers are even worse than expected, unless you believe the whoppers coming out of New York. Moreover, the technical problems appear to be worse than expected. Here are some more thoughts:
● What Numbers?: HHS won’t release the number of people who have signed up for Obamacare until November, though I suspect they won’t release them then either. But that hasn’t stopped the numbers from leaking out. Last week, we spoke about some of the numbers and what they mean. This week, others are catching on. According to the Mail Online, administration sources have said that only 55,000 people signed up for insurance during the first week. The fact they won’t counter these numbers and the horrible PR they bring suggests they are accurate.
As an aside, New York claims it signed up 80,000 people, which would be more than everyone else combined and six times what California claims... something isn't right there.
● Just Short of the Green: The Mail Online calculates that at this rate, only 2 million people will sign up during the required six month open enrollment period. Obamacare needs more than 7 million to be financially viable.
● Don't Sign Up Anyone Under 30: Obamacare also needs 2.7 million “young invincibles” to foot the bill for the everyone else. Clearly, that ain’t happening. In fact, the 2 million number suggests they won’t get any of the “young invincibles,” which isn't surprising because that's basically throwing away money.
● The Big Flopper: If only 2 million of the 48 million uninsured sign up for Obamacare, then it’s a flop. Add in the fact that they would rather be fined than “helped” and what you have is a thorough repudiation.
● Obamacare? We Don't No Stinking Obamacare: Let’s think about this 2 million number. There are at least 9 million uninsurables who supposedly need insurance to stave of bankruptcy and to get critical treatment. So why aren’t they all signing up? Well, either, Obamacare is a bad deal for them OR there aren’t really 9 million uninsurables. Either way, the program loses it's biggest justification.
● One Step Forward, Three Steps Back: If only 2 million people sign up, then Obamacare has thrown 3 people off insurance for every person it added, as the run-up to Obamacare caused 6 million people to lose their insurance. Sounds like the government.
● Glitch In The Machine: The government is now privately admitting that they may need to scrap the $614 billion Obamacare computer system and start over. According to computer experts who have examined the system, it was built backwards with the wrong things using the most resources and by trying to use too much information at once. Tinkering won’t fix it. There are new problems discovered each day too. The insurers now say that they are getting duplicate applications along with phantom cancellations because of a glitch... so they don't know who is real and who isn't. Apparently, it's not calculating the subsidies correctly either, so one insurer stopped issuing insurance because they don't know if they are giving the right prices.
● Compare My Butt: The administration keeps trying to avoid the obvious that people aren't signing up by claiming that people are just comparison shopping at this point, which is why there haven’t been more applications. Yeah, only that’s nonsense. For one thing, there is nowhere to comparison shop. And if there was, then the whole justification for Obamacare goes down in flames. Think about that.
For another, industry people have noted that the website is build backwards, so that you need to apply before you can find out what it will cost you. Thus, no one who hasn’t opened an account can comparison shop! Indeed, the industry people are stunned. They note that there isn’t a commercial website in the world where you need to give your personal information before they tell you what they are offering.
● You Fail!: Not surprisingly, Obamacare gets really poor reviews. According to an AP poll:
● Enough Rope: Finally, this is what happens when the Republicans don’t save the Democrats from themselves. The Democrats are brutally incompetent in everything they do, and historically, they’ve relied on the Republicans fixing their messes to make their programs palatable. This time, the Republican leadership stood fast. The result is an epic disaster unfolding. This is a system that has thrown more people off insurance than it’s covered. It’s cost a fortune and it doesn’t work. It’s attracting less than a third in raw numbers of what it needs to be financially stable and it has no chance of attracting the quality of applicants it needs.
This thing will die under its own weight. Let it.
But even more importantly, realize that you can’t get the public on your side about something until they feel its sting. With less than one in five of the people who will be fined even knowing someone who bothered to visit the websites, the public isn’t ready yet for this to be a big deal. Attack it rhetorically, but wait for the backlash to try to kill it. In the meantime, do what the Democrats do so well... tell the public they need to elect more of you if they want this thing killed.
● What Numbers?: HHS won’t release the number of people who have signed up for Obamacare until November, though I suspect they won’t release them then either. But that hasn’t stopped the numbers from leaking out. Last week, we spoke about some of the numbers and what they mean. This week, others are catching on. According to the Mail Online, administration sources have said that only 55,000 people signed up for insurance during the first week. The fact they won’t counter these numbers and the horrible PR they bring suggests they are accurate.
As an aside, New York claims it signed up 80,000 people, which would be more than everyone else combined and six times what California claims... something isn't right there.
● Just Short of the Green: The Mail Online calculates that at this rate, only 2 million people will sign up during the required six month open enrollment period. Obamacare needs more than 7 million to be financially viable.
● Don't Sign Up Anyone Under 30: Obamacare also needs 2.7 million “young invincibles” to foot the bill for the everyone else. Clearly, that ain’t happening. In fact, the 2 million number suggests they won’t get any of the “young invincibles,” which isn't surprising because that's basically throwing away money.
● The Big Flopper: If only 2 million of the 48 million uninsured sign up for Obamacare, then it’s a flop. Add in the fact that they would rather be fined than “helped” and what you have is a thorough repudiation.
● Obamacare? We Don't No Stinking Obamacare: Let’s think about this 2 million number. There are at least 9 million uninsurables who supposedly need insurance to stave of bankruptcy and to get critical treatment. So why aren’t they all signing up? Well, either, Obamacare is a bad deal for them OR there aren’t really 9 million uninsurables. Either way, the program loses it's biggest justification.
● One Step Forward, Three Steps Back: If only 2 million people sign up, then Obamacare has thrown 3 people off insurance for every person it added, as the run-up to Obamacare caused 6 million people to lose their insurance. Sounds like the government.
● Glitch In The Machine: The government is now privately admitting that they may need to scrap the $614 billion Obamacare computer system and start over. According to computer experts who have examined the system, it was built backwards with the wrong things using the most resources and by trying to use too much information at once. Tinkering won’t fix it. There are new problems discovered each day too. The insurers now say that they are getting duplicate applications along with phantom cancellations because of a glitch... so they don't know who is real and who isn't. Apparently, it's not calculating the subsidies correctly either, so one insurer stopped issuing insurance because they don't know if they are giving the right prices.
● Compare My Butt: The administration keeps trying to avoid the obvious that people aren't signing up by claiming that people are just comparison shopping at this point, which is why there haven’t been more applications. Yeah, only that’s nonsense. For one thing, there is nowhere to comparison shop. And if there was, then the whole justification for Obamacare goes down in flames. Think about that.
For another, industry people have noted that the website is build backwards, so that you need to apply before you can find out what it will cost you. Thus, no one who hasn’t opened an account can comparison shop! Indeed, the industry people are stunned. They note that there isn’t a commercial website in the world where you need to give your personal information before they tell you what they are offering.
● You Fail!: Not surprisingly, Obamacare gets really poor reviews. According to an AP poll:
● Only 7% of the public say the rollout has gone extremely well or well. In fact, only 19% of Obamacare supporters say the rollout has gone extremely well or well.As an interesting aside, the AP claims these numbers are encouraging because 7% of the public could mean 20 million people want to sign up... but compare that to the 48 million they're supposed to help (still optimistic?). In any event, the AP is wrong. The question was households, not people. There are 310 million people, but only about 120 million households in the country. Thus, the "interested" number is closer to 8.4 million. Then you factor in that only 1 in 10 actually signed up and you’re looking at 840,000 by the AP’s count. But even if half of them eventually sign up, you’re still only talking four million... again, three million short of what they need. And even if all of them sign up, you're still looking at 16% of the people the program was supposed to help.
● 40% say it hasn’t gone well. The other 53% don't care enough to find out.
● Only 7% of respondents said that someone in their household has tried to sign up. And 75% of them experienced problems. Further, only 10% of those who tried actually went on to sign up for Obamacare, and 25% of those people weren’t sure if they had signed up correctly or not.
● Enough Rope: Finally, this is what happens when the Republicans don’t save the Democrats from themselves. The Democrats are brutally incompetent in everything they do, and historically, they’ve relied on the Republicans fixing their messes to make their programs palatable. This time, the Republican leadership stood fast. The result is an epic disaster unfolding. This is a system that has thrown more people off insurance than it’s covered. It’s cost a fortune and it doesn’t work. It’s attracting less than a third in raw numbers of what it needs to be financially stable and it has no chance of attracting the quality of applicants it needs.
This thing will die under its own weight. Let it.
But even more importantly, realize that you can’t get the public on your side about something until they feel its sting. With less than one in five of the people who will be fined even knowing someone who bothered to visit the websites, the public isn’t ready yet for this to be a big deal. Attack it rhetorically, but wait for the backlash to try to kill it. In the meantime, do what the Democrats do so well... tell the public they need to elect more of you if they want this thing killed.
I saw an interesting piece just now about an investigative piece done by the Chicago Tribune. In Cook County, potential purchasers are finding the deductibles being offered for most of the lower cost plans are including huge deductibles such as $4,000 per indivdual and $8,000 per family. I doubt that was what people envisioned. (freedom isn't free)
ReplyDeleteJed, When I tinkered with Colorado's website, the lowest deductible was $3,000 but almost all were $5,000. (For single people.) Strangely, the $3,000 deductible was also the cheapest plan, so I suspect there was something really low quality about that policy.
ReplyDeleteBTW, Here's a really good article that talks about the design problem. Basically, to hide the cost until people got well into the system, they built it in such a way that it created bottlenecks trying to access outside computers. That problem can't be solved without a total redesign and a change of mindset.
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Spot on.
ReplyDeleteAndrew - Avik Roy is one of the best writers around on the subject of health care. He did a series of two articles for National Review that show how the large corporate hospital industry have far and away been the cause of the higher mdical costs in this country compared with elsewhere in the world. This article in Forbes is great
ReplyDeleteAndrew, I was about to link to the same Forbes article! It's the best explanation I've seen, and from a source that most people find very reputable.
ReplyDeleteOne other flaw in the Obamacare plan that I don't hear many people bring up. If this is supposed to built on the backs of under-30 "young invincibles," how does it work to allow people to stay on their parents' insurance until 26? That puts enormous pressure on a very slim demographic. And, the law didn't even make it very hard to shelter the under-26 group. From healthcare.gov:
Children can join or remain on a plan even if they are:
- married
- not living with their parents
- attending school
- not financially dependent on their parents
- eligible to enroll in their employer’s plan
And according to uhc.com (United Health Care):
"Dependents up to age 26 are not considered overage dependents. For dependents under the age of 26, the plan must treat dependents uniformly and may not charge more or have a different benefits structure for dependents based on age."
Also, student and employment status are irrelevant for coverage.
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I agree completely that Republicans have been smart to keep their hands off. The only way to not draw blame is keep their fingers OFF of it. And Obama was a fool to press ahead with the roll-out.
Sadly, talk-radio, which popularized the phrase "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory," is encouraging the GOP to do just that. They are the ones screaming that we mustn't let Obamacare fall under it's own weight, that we must save the idiot low-information voters from themselves. Then they wax conspiratorial about how O-care failure is by design as phase one of a single-payer takeover.
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Finally, something humorous. The "what people are saying" link on the thanksobamacare.org website is dead. I wonder why?
Thanks LL. These things are becoming so obvious that even the MSM is reporting them.
ReplyDeleteJed, It is an excellent article. And unlike so much else in the world of "journalism," he actually gets sources and asked them for quotes. This is how journalism is supposed to be.
ReplyDeletetryanmax, I can't imagine why that link would be dead! LOL!
ReplyDeleteYeah, as I've mentioned before, the talk radio guys are narcissistic fools who are only concerned with making themselves out as saviors and martyrs. You should ignore their advice at all costs.
On the youth, I think Obama trapped himself in his own promises. He made every promise he could think of to win people over, e.g. you can stay on your parent's policies. And then he built the system around that and that was unworkable.
I finally got basic info for the NY exchanges and I will report on Wednesday. They don't have the premiums and deductible info in the same location, but if you hunt around long enough like I did, you can put two and two together.
ReplyDeleteHey, btw, did anyone read about "navigators" who have been given access to our most private information yet were not vetted (or trained) for say...criminal records and such. There is one such "navigator" who is was found to have an outstanding arrest warrent. Yey, thanks, Obamacare! If I wanted to give my personal/private info to some stranger I would have answered that Nigerian government official's email! At least with that there was a promise of a big payoff...
Bev, I look forward to your report. :) New York is the one place making pretty incredible claims about the number of people they are signing up.
ReplyDeleteI did not hear that about the "navigators," but it sounds like Obamacare, doesn't it? This thing has all the hallmarks of being an internet scam.
Here's something funny--apparently Markos Moulitsas, of "Daily Kos" fame, just found out that his monthly insurance premiums will double under ObamaCare, and he is none too happy about it, let me tell you.
ReplyDeleteHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA
Oh, that is just perfect! :D
ReplyDeleteI'll let Nelson Muntz handle this one: LINK
ReplyDeleteHere it is in all its glory:
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Totally OT but I wanted to share this list. Youse guys might know it already :D
ReplyDeletehttp://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/who-reads-the-people-s-cube-t11831.html
Stay to enjoy tpc if you have some time.
Kit and Andrew - According to the comments in the DailyKos article, the insurance company is lying about having to raise the rates because of Obamacare.because there is nothing in the legislation that makes them raise the rates. They are just lying because they've been raising their rates AFTER the bill was passed and BEFORE Obamacare has even gone into effect.
ReplyDeleteHmmmm, now how did they figure the insurance companies were gonna cover all those people with those pre-existing conditions and subsidies? I believe we covered this years ago when we said that...premiums would be going up to cover all the new people with...oh, this just wears me out.
Yeah, I guess it wasn't Kos himself, but one of the guest bloggers or whatever. But did anyone notice the comment section below? People were accusing him of being a shill for the GOP, blah blah blah; someone pointed out that he's been a longtime blogger on the site; which drew the response, "It could be that he's a long-term sleeper {cell}."
ReplyDeleteOh the stupid, how it burns.
House budget bill collapses as the hard-liners refuse to go along. Its up to the Senate.
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And not just the hard-liners, a number of centrists refused to support it as well.
ReplyDeleteKit, The House is beclowning itself at a record pace.
ReplyDeleteT-Rav and Bev, I did read the comments. What a bunch of losers. They spun every possible conspiracy known to the left in an attempt to avoid admitting that the article was true. The general consensus seemed to be that (1) this is the insurer using poor Obama as an excuse to profiteer and (2) the author is an agent of the GOP. Dipsh*ts.
ReplyDeleteI kept waiting for the word "Military Industrial Complex." But sadly, no one mentioned it. :(
darksi, Very funny! Thank you! :D
ReplyDeleteHere's the link: LINK
Andrew, Darski,
ReplyDeleteThat is very funny!
Here is the Yes, Minister version, by the way (1min 49sec):
LINK
"Sun readers don't care who runs the country so long as she's got big t*ts." LOL!
ReplyDeleteAndrew,
ReplyDeleteAnd very, very true.
Kit, Having seen the Sun a couple times, I suspect it is true. LOL!
ReplyDeleteFor those who don't know what The Sun is, its basically Britain's People magazine -but without the class.
ReplyDeleteHere, look over the homepage: LINK
Kit - what is this People's magazine of which you speak? 8-|
ReplyDeleteBev, LOL!
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