I have spent the day reading comment after comment from liberals about the rampant racism in the South and how all vestiges of southern living should be destroyed. Not only the Confederate flag, but now there is a call to tear down statues of Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee, and destroy every last vestige of our slave-owning, Civil War-fighting history. This includes the Jefferson Memorial too because, of course, despite being the architect of the Declaraton of Independence and the 3rd President of the United States, he was a slave-owner.
Have we all just gone out of our collective minds? If this is the "conversation" we are supposed to be having in the aftermath of the attack on the Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, then the inmates are truly running the assylum now. We are doomed if this is the best we can think to do - tear down statues and burn flags. And now that everyone has been whipped into a collective frenzy, I can't wait to see what happens on Friday when the Supreme Court renders its rulings on Congressional redistricting, housing discrimination, same-sex marriage and Obamacare. If our esteemed Supreme Court Justices do not make the decisions that are acceptable to the angry mobs, I expect that D.C. will be burned to the ground and that's being optimistic...
Discuss.
Have we all just gone out of our collective minds? If this is the "conversation" we are supposed to be having in the aftermath of the attack on the Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, then the inmates are truly running the assylum now. We are doomed if this is the best we can think to do - tear down statues and burn flags. And now that everyone has been whipped into a collective frenzy, I can't wait to see what happens on Friday when the Supreme Court renders its rulings on Congressional redistricting, housing discrimination, same-sex marriage and Obamacare. If our esteemed Supreme Court Justices do not make the decisions that are acceptable to the angry mobs, I expect that D.C. will be burned to the ground and that's being optimistic...
Discuss.
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People want a race war. They should be careful what they wish for. They might get it.
First, what angry mobs?
Second, taking a flag that should never have been there off of state capitals isn't quite the same as burning said flag. Individuals are and should be free to festoon their homes in Confederate flags and wear Confederate flag themed outfits (dresses, shirts, bikinis, bandanna, boots, its all out there) and make their cars the spitting image of the General Lee.
Third, as a guy who lives 10 minutes from Washington, DC, I think removing all traces of slave owners from all memorials is too fringe and ambitious. Which won't say it won't have any successes (a high school named after Nathan Bedford Forrest, the Confederate battle flag lover, was renamed a few years back), but I don't think the Washington Monument or the Jefferson Memorial or the Woodrow Wilson Bridge are going anywhere.
Last of all, the only two matters the SC has taken up that the public cares about are Obamacare (whose death would probably be as messy and political as its life) and gay marriage. Both decisions will have far reaching impacts, but neither is likely to translate into violence.
EDIT: I know Woodrow Wilson wasn't a slave owner (racist yes, slave owner, no). The point is a lot of famous historical figures did/believed stuff that wouldn't pass muster today but was socially acceptable if controversial positions in their day.
As I mentioned a day or two ago, I couldn't care less about the flag itself and taking it down from government buildings is probably a good idea. However, I can't say that I'm comfortable with the "Let's erase history and forget it never happened" vibe I'm getting from certain quarters.
But we all know what will happen. The backlash is already in full swing. Wal-Mart and other stores will quietly bring back Confederate-themed merchandise. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but eventually.
And America will move on to the next crisis. Apparently, it's all we do nowadays. :-)
Ha ha, too late Mr. Anthony!! You said it and as Abraham Lincoln once said, "If it's on the internet, then it must be true." Ergo, I now firmly believe that Wilson was a slave owner. Yep. Can't change that. It's time remove his evil butt from the $3 bill! ;-)
Bev, As for the liberals, remember this...
(1) They're retards.
(2) They only hate the South now because it votes against them. If they were still Democrats, then they would be singing its praises. Ergo, this is all political. What's worse, they are being fed this crap by their collective, so this isn't even something they understand, they just know that it's now one of their fundamental beliefs and always has been... until it isn't anymore and never was.
(3) What conservatives need to learn to do is to fight back. Start attacking liberal cities for their own crimes as they are much more racist than anyone else. Muddy the waters.
(4) And this is most important... you are talking about the internet. On the internet, a few thousand lock-step goosesteppers can make it sound like there is a mass movement afoot. There isn't. It's just a few thousand basement dwellers who all travel to the same sites and spread their crap to each other. The truth is that the public doesn't buy this crap and won't listen to these people.
Yes, Woodrow Wilson was not a slave-owner. But he was a racist, free speech-crushing, proto-fascist.
So, close enough. ;-)
"On the internet, a few thousand lock-step goosesteppers can make it sound like there is a mass movement afoot."
So, so true. Even a few hundred can do it.
Scott, How quickly this stuff comes back to WalMart and Amazon will depend on how much they make.
At one point, Amazon was accused of selling kiddie porn... probably true. So they made a big deal of banning vast amounts of porn. Harrumph harrumph. Within days, it was all back.
BTW, Let me toss this out there...
Suppose we do ban every reference to our country's slave holding past. Do you think this will make the likes of Al Sharpton happy or angry? I'd put money on him being outraged that we have whitewashed our history.
In fact, liberals get really pissed whenever Disney does that to some evil the country has done. Maybe that isn't such a bad idea after all?
OT: The supreme court has upheld the Obamacare subsidies. I am 0% surprised because this court has already shown that the law is meaningless to them. They are a rubber stamp for government programs apparently.
Supreme Court upheld key element of Obamacare 6-3.
And its really good this news came out now because it was also revealed today (or yesterday) that Lerner had wiped a bunch of emails a couple of months after being told to preserve them.
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I'm going to admit, this is causing me to laugh. But I can't tell if it's serious or a joke:
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How quickly this stuff comes back to WalMart and Amazon will depend on how much they make.
Yes, because you can't possible make any of this stuff up in your own home without Walmart and Amazon to sell it. We should ban red, blue, and white cloth and sewing machines, needles, thread, paper of any kind, finger paints and those fun drawing apps. Fortunately, for us red, white, and blue are primary colors so we can't seditiously mix two non-banned colors like to get them. I hope we can all be happy in a world of just yellow.
But then maybe we should ban ANYTHING that is red, white, or blue. I love strawberries and blueberries, but if it might mean someone can create a Confederate flag, then so be it.. While we are at it, we better burn our libraries down, just in case a copy of Gone With The Wind or Huck Finn and Shakespeare (he was white, you know) should infiltrate out to the world to possibly offend the delicate flowers we have become and have raised.
Seriously, have we all going completely out of our f**king minds?????
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Fun times, fun times....
That's great about Obamacare. Finally, we can not afford healthcare with insurance rather than without it.
Robert's reasoning - "In this instance, the context and structure of the Act compel us to depart from what would otherwise be the most natural reading of the pertinent statutory phrase.”
Well, this doesn't bode well for the Bill of Rights. Yep, words do not have meaning and as long as we are close enough, then that's okay. Wow, Idiocracy was really a documentary, wasn't it?
An alternative view on the subject of the Confederate flag and monuments from most of what is here: LINK
I don't entirely agree, but I see his point. He certainly makes it well than the ones shouting "RACIST".
HotAir.com has found a silver lining in the Obamacare ruling:
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Btw, it's not like I disagree with the liberal court on this. It was a petty phrase, but the idea that "We all {{{wink, wink}}} knew what they meant. Close is good enough" is disturbing. I would have preferred that they send it back to Congress for clarification.
And add in the many preening lectures of Jonathan Gruber's where he states clearly that the phrase was not an oversight, but was done on purpose to guilt and compel the states to create their own exchanges.
Kit - when is the "North" going to reconcile itself that they have and always been just as racist as any Southerner. When do we get to discuss that, even though those north of the "Mason-Dixon" line claimed to abhor slavery, they were still racists. And where they eschewed the word "slavery", they embraced "Indentured servitude". Oh, yes, until it became popular during the Jazz Age to have black servants, the Irish were the "Yankee" slave of choice. That's because they still didn't want black people in their homes and touching their children quite unlike Southern plantation owners who bought slaves to raise their children.
And let's talk cotton, shall we? Northern textile mill owners may have hated slavery, but they had no problem using slave-picked cotton to make money. and the same for clothing...no one stopped wearing clothes made from the textiles made from that Southern slave-picked cotton.
"when is the "North" going to reconcile itself that they have and always been just as racist as any Southerner."
Never. They also won't acknowledge that they abandoned the blacks and pro-equality whites in the South to fend for themselves (a.k.a., get lynched).
Something the author of that article points out in his book on the history of guerrilla warfare, Invisible Armies.
"Northern textile mill owners may have hated slavery, but they had no problem using slave-picked cotton to make money."
Agreed. And Northern port cities profited quite handsomely from the Slave trade. So much so that Abigail Adams (who should be put on US currency) wrote to a friend during a smallpox epidemic in Boston that she believed God was punishing the city for its participation in slavery.
Not surprising considering the reported 3000% increase in Confederate flag-related items earlier in the week, but Amazon’s already blowing a bunch of BS about their ban. That or at minimum they haven’t caught on to the fact the merch store at Lynyrd Skynyrd’s official website links to Amazon. Snagged Free Bird: The Collection yesterday, complete with the stars and bars cover.
Yes, this too shall not even bother to pass.
Kit - when I say that the textile mill owners used slave-picked cotton, I am not referring to Colonial slavery. I am referring to 1860's picked cotton. All the pre-War rhetoric leading up to the CIvil War about the abhorance of slavery didn't stop them from using others' slave labor for their own personal gain.
And now for my most incendiary analogy. This is not unlike today's Fashion industry Moguls like Barbra Streisand's good friend Donna Karan, or the Apple and Microsoft multi-billionaires who have used slave labor in Asia to make their products and used by all of those anti-Slavery/equality seeking liberals on a daily basis. I have yet to hear a call for the boycott of clothing, Iphones, IPads, and any electronics in sympathy for the slaves around the world who make them...Oh, they justify it by saying that THEY don't own the slaves, they just pay the people who pay the people who own these slaves just like Yankee mill owners...
Bev,
I ain't disagreeing with a single word your saying.
OT:
I'm not surprised about the SCOTUS results either. I haven't read the whole opinion but I find Roberts reasoning to be inconsistent. He states "...the power to make the law rests with those chosen by the people. Our role is more confined--to say what the law is...". He then goes on for pages reinterpreting what the specific line really meant. I agree with Bev that this was petty but it should have been sent back to congress to fix.
I haven't scared you, have I? ;-) I am just venting my frustration with the blatant hypocrisy of liberals who deny their own racisist past and present. How else can one explain their need to habitually hyphenate every living being into their a specific group.
From the Federalist's Mollie Hemingway - Congratulations you oppose the confederate flag...now what? This is how I would have presented this subject if my blind rage had not taken control (and if I was really a writer...). And I wish that I had coined the phrase "addicted to judgment porn" because yeah.
The vandalizing of the Confederate monuments reminds me of ISIS...
Same here, Critch, but what do we, the "unenlightened ones," know?
I agree with you both. And sadly enough, I do not believe that most of these people who want to destroy statues really have a clue who these people were. I doubt they could point out a statue of Jefferson Davis or Robert E. Lee or any of the other sons of the confederacy without a name plate at the bottom. or could actually tell you what war they fought.
Shouldn't we take our cue from Abraham Lincoln who allowed Jefferson Davis to live to a ripe old age rather than have him executed for sedition?
Full disclosure - I am an ancestor of Robert E. Lee. But what I found most exciting was the day that I discovered (and I don't remember how it came up) that I was working with someone at work who was an ancestor of...Ulysses S. Grant. I thought about how far we have come as a nation...
A Facebook friend made an excellent observation earlier this week, and, Kit, please note you are an exception to the rule in this department: "Millennials are not allowed to spout off on the Confederate flag till they properly identify who fought in the Civil War, and provide the correct century when it took place."
Oh come no, Eric. That's easy. The Civil War happened in the past and it was a fight between Republican racists who wanted to kill black slaves and an army of well meaning hippies. The hippies won without killing anyone when the Republicans, led by Sarah Palin at the battle of Running Bull, couldn't find her way to the Getty gas station in Pensacola.
Or something like that. And that is why we need to ban... OMG! What is Kim Kardashian wearing? Like, I'll be right back.
On the formerly supreme court, Roberts has misstated the role of the court. The court's job when reviewing legislation is to (1) decide if the legislation has followed the limits of the constitution and then (2) to apply it as written.
His decision to ignore the first part and then to change the second part to "find a way to pretend the law says whatever it takes to make this sucker work" means the court is no longer a valid check or balance. They should resign and shut down the court at this point because it really no longer serves a constitutional function.
.. and no, I'm not angry or bitter, I just find it pathetic that the court has chosen to surrender the powers it fought for nearly 200 years to secure. Strange.
BTW, Bev, sadly, the populace has lost their minds... if they ever had them. The sad truth is that most people are incapable of independent judgment, which is why the Nazis were able to do what they did. If you watch how advertisers work, you will see evidence of this everywhere. And in instances like this flag banning, you will see it on a grander sale.
Oh well. That's humanity for you... herd animals.
Correct, Andrew! Any citations involving wars of words between Katy Perry, Taylor Swift and/or John Mayer also would have been accepted.
Eric, LOL! Yeah, they were there too! Oy vey. (Can I say that if I'm not Jewish? Hmm.)
Andrew I agree with you about the court. If it all just to be a political decision, we don't need the Supeme Court anymore. But it also speaks to a much bigger problem. That instead of clarifying laws, we have really surrendered to the age of mediocrity where kind of close is good enough. Why bother to debate and come to a compromise that makes everyone happy or mad because....whatever....hey, Kim is naked again!!
Bev, In all honesty, it's shocking to me that a "conservative" court could care so little about the law. And this isn't an anti-Obama thing. They could have been reviewing an act written by Reagan and I would be just as shocked.
In terms of clarifying, that is the very reason courts need to follow the law. If they sometimes do and sometimes don't, then there is no law... there is indulgence. And I am not comfortable with a government that has the power to pick and choose when it will exceed the authority it has
And I do not believe that most people are incapable of independent thought. I think just the opposite. But the independent thinkers are too busy working to pay for the steeple, they don't have time to drown out the noisy rabble. The grasshoppers win.
The last great non-political accomplishment we had as nation was landing on the moon. It's been downhill ever since...
Bev, Sadly, I do.
There is a theory in investing called "rational ignorance." What it holds is that most people are incapable of understanding what is really going on for a variety of reasons. Because of this, they find "experts" who they believe do understand what is going on and they mimic them. (This has actually spurred momentum investing.)
This is eerily similar to the herd instinct, where the vast majority of the herd does not know why they are doing what they are doing, they only know that the rest of the herd has made a decision and they run with it because they trust the herd because they assume that those leading the herd know what they are doing.
If you pay attention to advertising, you will see that this forms the basis of most ads, with one interesting twist. Most ads are straight up herd instinct... "trust this man who looks like a doctor/celebrity" and "keep up with your neighbors... don't be left behind." But there is another (brilliant) set which manipulate the desire many have to believe that they are independent thinkers, even though they aren't... "You are unique, buy our mass produced product and prove it."
But honestly, this isn't a problem, except when the herd decides to punish those who don't fall in line.
Bev, The last great non-political accomplishment we had as nation was landing on the moon. It's been downhill ever since...
I would say we've done a lot more than that since the 1960s. We won the Cold War, defeated communism, built the internet, spread amazing prosperity around the world, cured a vast array of diseases, made life saving technology common place, invented things like GPS and the cell phone, etc.
America rocks. :D
"On the formerly supreme court, Roberts has misstated the role of the court. The court's job when reviewing legislation is to (1) decide if the legislation has followed the limits of the constitution and then (2) to apply it as written."
I'm not so sure why we're shocked. This is what we wanted back in 2005 when we appointed him. We wanted a justice who would be a rubber stamp for Congress and the Presidency, "an umpire, not a pitcher," if I recall his words.
But landing on the moon was tha last thing we did where everyone agreed that it was a great accomplishment. Defeating Communism by bringing down the wall has only been fleeting. See: Reset button. Medical achievements See: anti vaxxers and trial lawyer jackpots. Technology and GPS? See: NSA...
Bev, I see your point about the lack of unity, but that is humanity. A certain percentage of the population tries to give meaning to their pathetic lies by attacking the deeds of others. This isn't anything new. It's only new that these whackos have been able to find somewhere they could spread their crap that others could find it... the MSM and the internet.
Trust me, some caveman groused about fire, only a minority percentage of Americans supported the revolution until it was over, people have spewed hate at Mother Theresa, etc.
Kit, It's shocking because (1) the courts, liberal or conservative, have ALWAYS been protective of their role and (2) it is a fundamental principle of conservatism to believe in Rule of Law. Roberts and his court violate both of those.
BTW, Bev, don't forget that there are a significant number of idiots who believe the moon landing was fake. So even with that example, there are attackers.
"Kit, It's shocking because (1) the courts, liberal or conservative, have ALWAYS been protective of their role and (2) it is a fundamental principle of conservatism to believe in Rule of Law. Roberts and his court violate both of those."
Again, we were so angry about "activist judges" that we picked Roberts.
Bev,
Next week I'll be reviewing a book called The World America Made. Hold off on your doomsaying 'till then, ok?
I wouldn't say a significant number. There are conspiracies associated with every event. But the conspiracies surrounding the moon landing is the only conspiracy NOT blamed on the Jews, so that is something, right? :-\
OT: Wouldn't you just love to see a Presidential debate between Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump?
Bev, IF the polls are to be believed, around 15% of the public believes the conspiracy theory -- the number is around 40% in France. Sad, isn't it?
As for not being blamed on the Jews, it sounds like they aren't trying hard enough! Apparently, they don't know about the Jewish moon base Zion World Domination One. ;-)
Bev, Hell yeah! Especially if they both wear tights and speak in professional wrestler tones!
Bernie: "Freeeeee markets are eeevil, BROTHER!! Ooooh yeah!"
Trump: "All I know about markets is how to exploit the bankruptcy courts, but IIII'm gonna open a can o' Whoopie Ass on you, Sannnnders!"
Today they wanna ban Gone With The Wind, tomorrow they'll wanna ban most deodorants, then we'll have stinkier protesters on a banrage, hopped up on outrage whoremones.
But Andrew 15% is the same for any fringe belief.
Now would be a good time to have a draw Mohamed contest on confederate flags. Jest to see outragey heads explode.
I mean, really, I hate it when some of the religious right get their banrage on, but they are pikers compared to those on the left who wanna ban everything they don't approve of.
Ben, Sadly, they already want to ban deodorants because they claim that the aluminum in the deodorants causes autism.
Bev, Bingo.
Ben, That is BRILLIANT! A contest to draw Mohamed on a confederate flag! :D
Oh, and it would really be nice if the few idiots on the right would stop trying to excuse Roberts by saying he is being blackmailed.
The truth is, Roberts doesn't respect the rule of law or Our Constitution.
The guy is evil, okay? He is anti-American. And I don't care about his good intentions because the results will be devastating, and evil.
Btw, you cannot believe any polls because of ...the Jews.
OH...MY...GOD!!! draw Mohammed on the Conferderat Flag!!! GENIUS!!!
Thanks Andrew and Bev,
No one every called me a brilliant genius before. :)
Bev, I knew that. Jews ruin everything. Look at the paradise Jew-free countries like Pakistan are!
Ben, Roberts is a representative of Big Business. He sees the government as an ally of business and he will let the government do whatever it wants in terms of arranging the economy. That is the problem with Roberts.
I was very dissapointed to know that Obama is negotiating with terrorists,
until IowaHawk cleared that up:
"It's not negotiating with terrrorists if we give them everything they want."
Now I feel much better, lol.
Good point, Andrew.
Crony capitalism gone wild. Still evil, though. I think I'll start calling Roberts Chief Justice Evil.
If Shakespear was a lefty:
To ban or to ban more...that is the question.
Oh, Ben, they aren't "terrorist", they are "trading partners"...
Unless they are Republicans. Then they are terrorists, and Obama won't negotiate with them.
Funny you should mention that. Bosch Fawstin went briefly off his glorious anti-Islam ranch on Facebook today to remind Democrats the Confederate flag is all theirs. I'll mention the Momo thing to him.
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