Tuesday, May 28, 2013

Obamacare Follies, An Update

There’s been a lot of interesting news surrounding Obamacare lately. None of it’s good for Obama, though the media is trying to spin most of it as a positive. But the truth is that you can’t hide from reality for very long. Let’s discuss.

A “train wreck”: Max Baucus, the architect of Obamacare, has decided to call it quits. Baucus sits in what should have been a safe seat, but clearly he couldn’t overcome the public’s anger about Obamacare. It only has 38% favorability in polls. At first, Baucus tried to deflect the blame by claiming that the real problem was that Obama was mishandling the implementation and causing a “train wreck,” but when that didn’t work, he chose to retire. Harry Reid tried the same thing, but gave up. Instead, they’re all looking to Obama to save them with a PR push. Read on...

Panic!!: The public remains deeply opposed to the law and wants it repealed. They see no benefits, but lots of problems. The Democrats are freaking out and are demanding that HHS “educate” the public about the benefits. HHS claims it would waste money to educate the public before the plans go on sale in October. The Democrats fear that will be too late to change minds. Of course, with the MSM pushing the law for three years solid now, you kind of have to think the “education” plan has already failed.

In fact, the real problem is that the public will never see benefits to this. First, most have insurance, so few will get anything new here. Further, there is no government agency they can point to as helping them and there are no “government plans.” All they’ll see is private insurers doing what they already do. Additionally, the subsidies Obama promised, if there is even money for them, won’t be seen by the public. The public will only see what they are paying and they won’t realize that the taxpayers are picking up the tab. Moreover, since the subsidies are much larger at the bottom than the top, most people will feel they are getting the short end of the stick compared to everyone else. That’s really bad for winning over the public. Beyond that, the other benefits only apply to a few people, like covering the uninsurables and offering drug treatment. So there are no visible benefits. By comparison, millions of people will lose their insurance, millions more will pay a lot more suddenly, and millions more will get fined by the IRS... surprise!

About the rates: Before the weekend (a bad time for a supposedly positive news drop), the AP began running with a meme that California and a couple states had released their rates and that those rates were “surprisingly” low. Rates in two states went up between 2% and 5%. The third, Maryland could be going up 25%. The other state, Oregon, went down! Take that critics!! Actually, none of that is true.

Here’s what you need to know. First, there is no exact rate as the AP claims. There are up to 13 companies and they’ve all provided wildly different rates. What’s more, I’ve looked at the filing for the low-rate plan they are citing in Oregon, and the company (which is about $100 per month lower than everyone else) is only offering to issue 36,000 policies total. Considering that Oregon will need millions of policies, that can hardly be called representative of what people can expect. Further, in an ominous sign, not only are the low-cost providers no-name companies, but several of the nation’s largest health insurers have refused to participate. United Health Group, Cigna and Aetna all refused to play. Each used different excuses, but this sounds like a vote of no-confidence indicating that they think the system won’t last. This suggests a two-tier system of quality healthcare outside the Obamacare system and fly-by-night insurers inside the system. In fact, there seem to be a lot of jokers in the mix. Thirty insurers applied in California, but only 13 were accepted and some don’t seem credible. And most of the low cost guys are offering to take 0% profit in 2014. In the product world, that’s called “dumping,” with the idea being to pull in customers and then raise rates once you’ve killed off the competition. Hence, between the low number of such plans and their questionable nature, it strikes me few people will get the low rates the Democrats are touting and those rates won’t last... assuming the insurers are even around to pay on the policies.

As an aside, there was an interesting article this weekend by a leftist group that tried to calm the nerves of self-employed people (all 22 million of us). They are recommending that everyone plan for a 15% increase in premiums, despite acknowledging the claim that the California rates only went up 2%. And don't forget, rates are already up 30% in anticipation of Obamacare.

Then it gets worse. Let’s run with the AP’s numbers shall we? They claim that with the full subsidy, individuals will pay “about” $40 a month in California. Without the subsidy, they will pay “about” $300 a month. The “about” is significant when you start multiplying the rate by 12 months. Anyway, here’s are the issues:
● The AP article deceptively said these rates were for a “mid-level” plan. That is false. They are in fact for the bottom plan. These plans only cover 70% of costs and stick you with up to $6,350 out of pocket each year. If you want to switch to the premium plans, then the rates on those are between $300 and $500 a month (post subsidy).

● The AP article very deceptively moves back and forth between singles and families. The policy rates presented are for singles, not families. Yet, they quote family income levels for the subsidies. To get the full subsidy, your income needs to be less than $17,000 a year. The AP article seems to imply that the full subsidy applies all the way up to individuals making $46,000 a year (and families of four making up to $95,000), but that appears to be where the subsidy actually stops, and it phases out along the way.

Using these numbers means someone making $17,000 a year will need to pay “about” $480 a year plus up to $6,350 out of pocket for a total of $6,830 (38% of their income). But wait...
● The policy being reported is for a 40 year old single person. It does not include a spouse or child. Let’s assume 50% additional cost for those. Suddenly, the plan costs $720 a year plus up to $6,350 out-of-pocket. That means they pay $7,070 if they get sick (42% of their income).

● The policy being reported is for a 40 year old person. Old people can be charged up to 300% of what the 40 year old is charged. So an old person in the same situation will need to pay $1,440 plus $6,350 or $7,790 (46% of their income).

● The $40 policy is for a nonsmoker. As we know, smokers can be charged a 50% surcharge. Our 40 year old family man will pay $7,430 if he smokes. Our oldsters will pay $8,510 (50% of their income).
Now look at the numbers for someone who gets no subsidy:
● Single: “about” $3,600 + $6,350 = $9,950
● With family: $11,750
● Old person: $17,150
● Smoker family: $14,450
That’s a lot of money, especially when you realize that, in 2010, the average American family paid about $8,400 on healthcare between their policies and their co-pays. Thus, under these “surprisingly not higher” Obamacare costs, most people will pay dramatically more. Indeed, it looks like the average family is going to see a $3,300 increase (39%). Even the fully subsidized people will barely be below the current national average.
Lastly, keep this in mind... these subsidies aren’t manna from Heaven. They need to be budgeted and as long as the Republicans control the House, I wouldn’t expect a penny to go to cover them. That means those $40 plans the Democrats are hoping will be there in 2014 won’t be there... and everybody will pay full rates.

Union Oh Hell No!: Finally, a bunch of unions are all upset with Obama. Most of their members get their healthcare through what are called Taft-Hartley plans. These are group plans obtained by the unions and small employer groups. About 20 million retail, construction, transportation and seasonal workers purchase these plans. Well, it turns out that when these idiots supported Obamacare, they were under the assumption that certain parts of Obamacare wouldn’t apply to them – like the requirement to cover pre-existing conditions, eliminating lifetime coverage limits and covering dependents up to age 26. Imagine that. Since these things do apply, these Taft-Hartley plans are about to become obscenely expensive(r) and they think employers will drop them and dump their workers into the exchanges... as conservatives warned. BUT there’s a catch: workers covered by union contracts aren’t eligible for Obamacare subsidies, just like the self-employed aren’t. So all these 20 million workers may soon find themselves paying full rates. . . and the unions are furious. Poor babies.

40 comments:

Tennessee Jed said...

nice job of rounding up this information. None of it comes as a surprise (surprise!) Harder to predict is exactly what will happen. Maybe this abject failure will, when couple with IRS will actually result in some welcome change in Washington

tryanmax said...

The one thing you don't do when you promise to lower health insurance rates is make them go up. If rates were to stay the same, even go up a few pennies, Obamacare would be seen as a failure at worst, undermined by the "eeeevil" insurers at best (for Obama). But these exorbitant hikes can only be understood as a complete backfire by all but the truest believers (and of course those who understood the deal all along).

BevfromNYC said...

Oh, Andrew, you are a big poo-poo head. [Or is that doody-head?] Paul Krugman says it's gonna work just fine and we were ALL gonna be surprised at how GREAT it works [eventually] and how much it lowers costs and other great stuff. Because as we all know when the Government gets involved the cost ALWAYS happens goes down. I bet we could come up with at least ONE thing where that is true, right?

Paul Krugman's god-like wisdom revealed

Oh, yeah and Texans are mean spirited (take THAT rlaWTX oh and me too I guess!) because they refuse to anything Obama wants them to do.

I stand by my opening statement...

Btw, Do they understand exactly how insurance works? I nearly choked when I read the part about the 6K+ deductable. That's not much of a deal if you only make $45K and that is on top of the premiums.

tryanmax said...

Interesting how Krugman makes great pains to maintain the link b/w Obamacare and Romney. BTW, I just pulled something off the FutureWire. It's a Krugman piece dated August 2014 entitled "Romney's dirty healthcare trick." A note of caution, half my FutureWire leads come from the alternate universe with the zeppelins.

T-Rav said...

Dear AP: As someone who's seen his fair share of trailer-trash relationships, let me be the first to tell you, agreeing to everything your BF says and repeating his every statement is not the key to a healthy relationship. He'll just start beating you again. Get out. Sincerely, T-Rav

T-Rav said...

tryanmax, given that in the alternate universe, Paul Krugman is a low-level scribbler for "Red Lantern," I'm going to take your FutureWire story with several grains of salt. Sorry.

BevfromNYC said...

Don't you think that the Paul Krugman of the future will have been institutionized after having a nervous breakdown twisting around everything he has written to explain it wasn't HIS fault that everyone believed him...they were all stupid to listened to him. And those who DIDN'T believe him (and were right) should have tried harder to stop him.

tryanmax said...

Bev, No. Because Krugman is a liberal and nothing they say one day has any bearing on what they say the following day. Plus, he was tricked by Romney.

AndrewPrice said...

Thanks Jed. It is hard to predict the future. But I would guess.

1. There will be no subsidy money in 2014, so some of these companies will drop out if they are allowed or simply not issue policies or just vanish. That will leave higher cost companies only, but no one will buy from them because they aren't competitive without the subsidy. Not to mention that people who want insurance already have it.

2. A lot of employers will drop their plans starting in the middle of 2014.

3. The rates people can get will go up dramatically in 2015.

4. The big insurers will continue to handle insurance outside the exchanges. Basically, they will ignore the exchanges, and the exchanges will become a tiny program.

5. The number of people uninsured will rise dramatically -- maybe to 50 million from 43 million.

AndrewPrice said...

tryanmax, What the Democrats are banking on is that they can tout the lowest possible rate that somebody in the country will receive as evidence of how much cheaper "everyone" has it. They will ignore the fact that 99% of people will see their rates go up.

They will also be very selective in terms of what things cost "before" Obamacare. Notice that the AP doesn't compare the rates to two years ago. And the reason is they know that rates shot up in anticipation. So they want to dump that anticipation on the "before" picture.

But you can't hide reality. Most people will know they got hurt by this. And when the IRS starts taxing people for not having health insurance, that's when a lot more people are going to be very, very upset.

AndrewPrice said...

Bev, Krugman is, of course, a genius... if you define genius as "raving moron." Honestly, I don't think I've ever had less respect for an economist. This guy would fail a multiple choice test where ever answer is correct.

In terms of the government lowering cost, good luck with that! That's never happened in the history of mankind.

As for the deductible, yep. Think about the percentages. Even the people who are getting the full subsidy are being told to spend half their money on healthcare. Unless you're really sick, who would do that? House, gas, food will take up more than that. Taxes each up about 25%. Where exactly will this money come from?

AndrewPrice said...

tryanmax, Zeppelins are cool! :)

So Romney is the new Bush? Poor Obama that he's so stupid he stole his ideas from the wrong Republicans. Boo hoo. Those evil Republicans!

AndrewPrice said...

T-Rav, Beating you... or wire tapping you?

AndrewPrice said...

Bev, Sadly, I'm with tryanmax on this. Krugman can say whatever he wants because his mind resets after he says it and automatically disclaims all responsibility for what he said.

Tennessee Jed said...

..... of course, the president and members of the Socialist Labor Party will claim it only undercores the need for a complete British style takeover of the health system..

BevfromNYC said...

"Krugman is, of course, a genius... if you define genius as "raving moron."

Btw, I actually DO define Krugman and "genius" that way, but only as it relates to Krugman. Or any of the following as they relate to the present Government regardless of party - "expert", "political pundit" and "WH [fill-in-the-blank] Advisor"...okay, I will stop now.

AndrewPrice said...

Jed, They may try, but there's a 0.0% chance of that working. This has made government health care even more toxic than it was and the public will never back any plan to go further forward in this direction.

Not to mention, this disaster is likely to be the gift that keeps on giving when it comes to elections as the fines grow, as more people get dumped into the non-working exchanges, and as state budgets collapse under the expansion of Medicaid.

AndrewPrice said...

Bev, LOL! Yeah... that does seem to be the case, doesn't it?!

Tennessee Jed said...

Too bad more people didn't see this coming back in 2012

AndrewPrice said...

Jed, Allow me to quote the last line of defense of all liberals: "No one could have seen this coming!"

AndrewPrice said...

Here's a little more. Apparently, the implementation is a now being acknowledged as a real mess and the states aren't doing too well.

- New Mexico and Idaho, said this month that they will cede control of part of their exchanges to the federal government.

- California will not directly enroll poor Americans in Medicaid -- that was the supposed to solve a huge chunk of the uninsured problem.

- New York and ten other states have decided to postpone plans to negotiate premiums with insurers.

There is now serious doubt that most of these exchanges will actually work.

Then this...

So far, several states, including New York, look like they will be ready to begin enrollment by the deadline. But California, Colorado, and Vermont have eliminated plans for exchanges that will directly enroll residents in private insurance or public programs. Rather, insurance customers will be informed what they are eligible for and transferred to an insurer website. Other states are putting off plans to limit insurer profits, caving in to pressure from the industry and the calendar. Maryland, Washington state, and the District of Columbia will not require providers to standardize deductibles and copays, a step that other states are taking to help consumers compare different plans. California is only one of fives states negotiating with insurers to lower premiums.

The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that the exchanges will attract about 7 million people next year, increasing to 24 million by 2023. But that number has dropped from the prediction of 34 million made in 2011 because states have opted out of portions of the reform, and the Obama administration has eased penalties for people who do not purchase coverage.

BevfromNYC said...

Andrew - In other words, "no one coulda' seen this comin'!", right?

BevfromNYC said...

Oh, and I forgot "It's Bush's fault" or maybe "It's Romney's fault", or even better "Blame the Tea Party! Those rat bas....."!

tryanmax said...

Bev, don't forget "obstructionist Republicans" and "the deep partisan divide." All the smart people (like Krugman) know that if the Republicans just stepped aside, everything would work perfectly.

BevfromNYC said...

Tryanmax - It's not that I don't agree, but, according to Democrats and those who vote for them, will swear they have not been responsible for anything in the last 70 years. So why should we or how, oh, how can we trust them?

AndrewPrice said...

Bev, Yep. In other words, it will be somebody else's fault.

What's interesting though is that the states mentioned above are liberal states and they are opting out of the things Obamacare was supposed to do and they are throwing up their hands in defeat. That bodes really poorly for Obamacare.

I think the appropriate metaphor is that they're about to launch a ship that's only half built and that half was built by idiots working off specs for a skyscraper.

AndrewPrice said...

tryanmax, I'm reminded of a SNL skit from MANY years ago, where they had a President declare how they'd just solved all the problems of the world. They went through a list of everything and he said it was all fixed. Then the reporter asked: (paraphrase) "How did you make all the Republicans disappear?"

At the time, I thought it was an unfunny joke showcasing that the liberal mindset was still quite fascist at a deep level. I didn't realize this was that close to how they really think at a higher level. But people like Krugman prove it. In the same spirit as Mao and Hitler, he thinks that the world would be perfect if they could just eliminate the people who oppose them.

AndrewPrice said...

Bev, Look at K-12 education. That has been dominated by liberals, 100% since the 1940s and it's a mess.

tryanmax said...

Andrew, to put the metaphor into a municipal context, the Republicans want to debate zoning regulations, but the Democrats just want them to get out from in front of their bulldozer.

AndrewPrice said...

tryanmax, Actually, I'd say there's something slightly different going on. The Democrats seem to be running away from Obamacare even at the state level (except the governor of Oregon). That's a really bad sign.

tryanmax said...

I'm just describing their general modus operandi. In the case of Obamacare, they are trying to add new floors on top of the old buildings they are simultaneously demolishing and claiming it would all work if Republicans would just clap their hands along with them.

Since we're getting back on topic anyway, have you seen the articles crowing about the latest CNN poll regarding Obamacare? They're spinning a majority in favor by adding the 16% who think it doesn't go far enough to those who approve. That, of course, assumes that adjusting Obamacare to please the 16% won't lose anyone, which is highly doubtful. Also, just last month a poll was released showing 40-someting percent of Americans didn't even know Obamacare is law. I'm guessing there's a significant overlap b/w the "approves" and "don't know it's a law."

tryanmax said...

Sorry, I'm also separating national Democrats from state Democrats without explicitly saying so.

AndrewPrice said...

I didn't see the poll, but I doubt it's trustworthy. The opposition has remained constant since 2010. It's not changing, especially as there will be no positive news to change it. At best, this law is neutral to 90% of the public... at worst (and more likely) it's personally harmful. It's also an easy excuse for anything to go wrong vis-a-vis healthcare.

That tells me it will never be popular.

AndrewPrice said...

Good metaphor, by the way. That's a very accurate view.

tryanmax said...

IDK, I think the poll is believable if one considers the group who don't know Obamacare is law. And maybe I wasn't clear that the poll itself shows a majority oppose the law, but the apologists are robbing 16% from one column and placing them in the other.

Still, the 40-odd-percent that state approval should drop like stones once Obamacare hits their own pocketbooks or they realize that Great Aunt Tilly who couldn't get coverage still can't get coverage.

AndrewPrice said...

Oh, I see what you're saying. Yes, I agree. I thought they'd come up with a poll showing a majority approving - that will never happen.

I think the 40% approval consists of 30% who think they will benefit and 10% who blindly trust the government.

Most of the 30% will taper off when they realize they get hurt. Probably about 18% of them. The 10% will follow the herd.

Of those disapproving, I suspect a more realistic number is 6%-10% oppose it because it didn't go far enough left. The rest oppose it for various right-leaning reasons.

tryanmax said...

It doesn't really matter what the polls say about whether it goes far enough or too far b/c yet another poll (Kaiser Health, I think) found that over half of Americans claim they are confused by it. What's really sad is that Democrats have been banking on that confusion all along and they still can't get a majority approval.

AndrewPrice said...

They were banking on the confusion, but now it's panicking them. They assumed that if nobody knew the details, they would just accept it. Instead, the confusion has sparked fear.

Interestingly, I've read some articles about the confusion lately and how the Democrats are freaked out about it. That's why they want Obama to do his PR push (along with the insurance lobby) to sell it to the public. They argue:

1. The public is confused and doesn't know the benefits.
2. Hence the public is worried.
3. The evil Republicans are filling in the confusion with lies.
4. Obama can save us by taking away the confusion.

But here's the problem: the public isn't actually confused... the law is confused. How it's supposed to work, how it will be implemented, what it will cover, how you will get it, and what it will cost are all still unresolved. That's why there's confusion -- nothing has been settled yet.

Just telling people, "It will be like puppies" isn't going to fix that confusion. And the fact that every state will be different, that most will probably miss the exchange creation deadline, that you won't know what you will get until you sign up, you won't know what you'll be penalized until 2014, you won't know what your employer will do until mid-2014... is all going to blow that up.

T-Rav said...

Andrew, the answer is wire-tapping, but with real wire. :-)

AndrewPrice said...

T-Rav, That's next... when journalists start to "disappear."

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