One of the favorite tricks of the left is to tinker with the electoral system to try to win elections. Here are some examples:
● Liberal states are trying to switch to a national popular vote plan which would benefit liberals by letting all the extra liberals in California outvote people in the smaller states.Here is the list of things the GOP has tried at the same time:
● Liberals in California switched to a system that allows the top two vote getters to run against each other, regardless of party. The idea was to wipe out the GOP by keeping GOP candidates from even qualifying.
● Liberals in several red states, most recently Colorado, tried and failed to get those states to apportion their electoral votes rather than go winner-take all. They abandoned this when Colorado turned blue.
● JackSo imagine my surprise when the GOP in several blue states where the GOP somehow holds all the power at the state level announced plans to try to change their system to apportion their votes proportionally. In other words, when the Democrat wins 52% to 48%, the Democrat would only get 5 or 6 of the state’s 10 electoral votes and the rest would go to the Republican. The states in question include Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, with Ohio, Virginia, Florida and North Carolina also possibly joining the list.
● Sh*t
How could liberals object to this, right? They tried to do this in several red states, and they would never object to something they tried to impose on other states, would they? Moreover, this is consistent with the Democrats’ supposed love for Democracy and the popular vote. So they should love this, right?
Ha.
The Democrats are outraged that their own tactics could be used against them:
● “This is nothing more than election-rigging,” wailed Michigan Democratic Chairman Mark Brewer.This is awesome. I feel their pain and it makes me whole. :)
● “It is difficult to find the words to describe just how evil this plan is. It is an obscene scheme to cheat by rigging the elections,” cried Democratic Pennsylvania state Sen. Daylin Leach.
● “We can't sit silently by as they try to manipulate the democratic process for political advantage. We can't let them attack the very democratic institutions and rights that others have sacrificed so much to gain — just because they don't believe they can win in a fair election fight,” whined Democratic Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett.
Seriously, does everyone see how bizarrely hypocritical this is that they are smearing something they invented? How about the fact that they are smearing the very principle of the popular vote and direct democracy they claim to love? Man, I love the smell of napalmed donkey in the morning.
Sadly, before anyone gets too excited, this is the GOP we are talking about and the weak links are already coming out of the woodwork. For example, Louisiana GOP Chairman and national party vice chairman Roger Villere, stupidly says, “The Electoral College has served the country quite well. This is a system that has worked. That doesn't mean we can't talk about changes, but we have to be very careful about any actions we might take.” No doubt other brain-dead eunuch will follow.
I hope the GOP follows through with this. Point out that the Democrats have tried to push this crap on red states. Point out how its “more fair” that “the people” get to have their electoral votes go where they want them. Use liberal arguments against them... and in the process, change the electoral map in our favor in a big way. Just don’t do this in red states.
Come on GOP... you’ve stumbled upon something smart, now grow a pair and follow through.
78 comments:
As a federalist, I don't know how I feel about this idea--but when a Democrat calls his own party's tactics "evil" after being on the raw end of the stick, it can't help but warm my heart.
T-Rav, As a federalist, this is probably the best way to save the country from anti-federalists. So I'm for it... just don't let it happen in any red states.
-- "Man, I love the smell of napalmed donkey in the morning."
Me too, Andrew. Me too.
Being from CA, the electoral college hasn't been kind to me, anyways. My vote is basically useless, unless in an miracle, Dems forgot it was election day...
Republicans control blue states, but I don't think Democrats control any red states, so there is no danger of tit for tat retaliation.
I don't see how this can be spun against the Republicans, its just the standard game political parties play.
If a party is convinced that it can win the legislature and the governorship, but that presidential victory is unlikely (thus there is minimal danger of it getting cut with its own weapon) then it makes perfect sense to go the proportional represenation route.
Now, Liberals. You see, this is why its a bad idea to manipulate the democratic processes in such a way as to favor the party in power. You have no idea how long you will be in power.
This is also why Harry Reid should be careful about altering the Senate rules to get rid of such things as the filibuster.
After all the Republicans might wound up growing a brain when it comes to nominating Senate candidates (I know, I know).
Kit....Dems Senators and press will go back to the opposite side when they are back in the majority. Heads they win....Tails we lose.
Sorry...minority..
What I mean is those rules might STILL be in place when(if) the GOP reclaims the Senate.
That possibility alone should warm your heart.
Kit - Harry has already started backing off of his sweeping changes to the filibuster rules. He must have realized that his majority is razor thin and he is just one or two accident away from losing it.
Maybe the Sen. Repubs can push them...oops,sorry, I just had a brain hemorrhage right before I wrote that last sentence.
"Harry has already started backing off of his sweeping changes to the filibuster rules. He must have realized that his majority is razor thin and he is just one or two accident away from losing it."
Good.
I totally agree the right needs to fight the left with their own medicine. That said, both sides should be more respectful of the rules, because if you "cheat" to jam through a healthcare law or change election laws, etc., you must realize there may come a day when the shoe is on the other foot. As you point out, though, the left has come to realize that the silly conservatives never seem to figure this out, so they can get away with it. In a way, it's not that much different than the hypocrisy Obama and Reid put out every day in the campaign (e.g. voting against raising the debt ceiling under Bush.) Still, if I had my way, we would make voting a privilege instead of a right. Register 6 months ahead, voter picture i.d., pass a simple civics exam. I hate to see crack addicts being given a hit if they vote Democrat.
Snape, That's the idea behind the national popular vote plan. Right now every Democratic vote at 50%+1 is wasted in California and New York and other big liberal states. If the Democrats can shift us away from electoral college to a popular vote, then all those wasted votes would matter and states like South Dakota would become meaningless.
The Democrats are big into electoral manipulation, it's time we did the same.
Anthony, The only state that comes to mind is West Virginia where they vote for the GOP president but Democrats at the state level. But I'd happily trade that one for the half dozen blue states we could get.
I don't think this could be spun either. The Democrats would try it, but they themselves have already tried it and it would be easy to say this is about "the people" and "Democracy."
This is an idea that the GOP really needs to push in these states, it could change a lot.
Jed, I for one am all in favor of reinstating property and education qualifications for voting, and for pushing the minimum age back to 21. I would have disenfranchised my own age bracket if I thought that would stop Obama from getting elected.
Kit, So far this has been a very safe thing for the Democrats to do because the Republicans never fight back. They just complain about the Democrats not playing fair. That's why I'm shocked to see this... and I'm certainly sure the Republicans will actually follow through.
As for the filibuster, I don't really care so long as the Republicans can continue to hold the House because we will get the Senate again at some point and I don't mind having Reid make it easy for us when we do.
Patriot, True. That is their history because hypocrisy means nothing to the Democrats.
But I'd like to see the filibuster rules gone and I know the Republicans would never have the nerve (or brains) to do it, so I say let the Democrats do it for us and then take advantage of the next time we get 51 seats.
Bev, Sorry to hear about the brain hemorrhage. I thought that sentence made no sense.
It's amazing to me that we have an entire party that just doesn't understand politics. They really need to realize this isn't 1950 anymore, in fact it never was, and politics is not a board game with clear rules and everyone shaking hands when the day is done.
Jed, This...
As you point out, though, the left has come to realize that the silly conservatives never seem to figure this out, so they can get away with it.
Is the story of the Republican Party and conservatism. If you suggest using whatever the Democrats have done against them, conservatives start foaming at the mouth like you're suggesting a revolution or converting the country to Islam. It's time conservatives woke up to how politics has been played since the dawn of mankind.
As for restricting voting, I don't really worry about that stuff because it's not that big of a deal. The bigger problem is that the GOP isn't attracting enough votes, not that the Democrats are finding fake voters.
Did you know that Romney only got 17 million more votes than Reagan and the country has added 120 million people since that time? There's the GOP's problem.
T-Rav, Those days are gone. And like I said to Jed, the real problem is that we just aren't getting enough votes, not that the wrong people are winning elections.
I know I've expressed my support for electoral apportionment before--and yes, a little home state pride is involved.
I don't see how this can be spun against the Republicans... Agreed. The only thing that could realistically thwart the effort is Republican weak knees. (The stupidity of Villere's statement lies in that the Electoral College system allows for whatever arrangement the States decide.)
My superstitious reasoning for why I feel that apportionment will catch on is that Nebraska was the second state to adopt it and, for good or ill, Nebraska has a pattern of being second on board for things that become national political trends.
P.S. The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact disgusts me in its cynicism, but I reluctantly must acknowledge the legality of it, so Republicans really need to strike the apportionment iron while it's hot. I think it's the best bet for staving off NPV.
Actually, Andrew, that is a good idea.
Maybe some in the GOP should try scaring the crap out of the Dems by coming out in favor of ending the filibuster by saying "I think this will help end the partisan gridlock both in the current 113th Congress and in future congresses."
tryanmax, I like the apportionment idea only in so far as it helps rig the game. I don't want to see red states adopt it, but I would like to see these ever-blue states adopt it. That's politics, you look for advantages.
As for the Electoral College, that's 100% right. The EC only says that states get a certain number of votes, it doesn't tell them how they need to divide those votes. So there's nothing anti-EC or even anti-Federalist about this. Unfortunately, the Republicans get weak-kneed about anything that sounds like "this is something we didn't do before... it must be wrong."
As for spinning, the left will spin this in every nasty and hypocritical way imaginable, but I don't think it matters. If the GOP makes the right sales pitch and denies they are trying to manipulate the elections... "we want to give voice to the people whose votes are lost and the make the state more important to the candidates," then the left won't find an support for their attacks.
Agreed on the NPVIC, that's incredibly cynical, but it is legal. The GOP needs to learn that it can fight back on these things.
Kit, That's exactly what they should do. The House is an effective filibuster already for us, so why not make the threat -- push Harry Reid.
But that's not something I expect from the Republicans because they are simpletons. They see the world in black and white, on/off, and they can't grasp when they are being played or how they can turn something to their advantage.
How do we fight the NPVIC?
Andrew, my thinking is a little different. Clearly, the current way of handling electoral votes is going away. We are in a populist time which means things are moving more toward democracy. I daresay we've got democracy so down-pat in the US that it will most certainly be more for ill than good at this point. It needs to be tempered.
I like the notion of rigging the game, but it never stops just there. With both apportionment and NVPIC, there will eventually be a tipping point where enough states have signed on that the rest will jump in like peer pressure. But there obviously isn't room for both. Because of that, I much would rather see apportionment take hold.
Between the two, apportionment as practiced by ME and NE is the one option that retains the protections to small states that the Electoral College was intended to provide. One could even argue that the populations of the states has become so disproportionate that the statewide model doesn't anymore and that the effective district model that apportionment would provide more closely resembles what the designers of the Electoral College had in mind.
In any case, NVPIC doesn't really address the problem at all. It's just a "might makes right" maneuver with a major built-in flaw: what happens when one of the compact states votes against the popular vote but their legislature sends the vote the other way? In other words, it would just lay the groundwork for more fighting. Not to mention, there is the specter of making every presidential election like Florida 2000.
Not that people couldn't fight about apportionment, too, but whatever the fight would be would not be so endemic to the system. Plus, it would not be unreasonable to suppose that even California could be shamed into accepting apportionment if enough other states were doing it. That's more than enough carrot for me.
Kit, You really can't except by pointing out to every small state how this will make them irrelevant and you make sure that none of the red states fall for this. As long as that happens and as long as conservatives watch to make sure their states don't join, it will never happen.
The other way is to start winning elections. If that happens, liberals will give up on the idea once they realize they would be giving landslide victories to the Republicans.
tryanmax, I think the NVPIC is dead. I think it will peter out with a handful of dark blue states and will eventually either expire or it will be undone once the Democrats realize that they could he handing blue states to Republicans in some elections.
I think apportionment is better, but I make no bones about being cynical. Conservatives need to learn that the public not a principled animal, it only cares about immediate outrages and otherwise it ignores everything. There is no reason we couldn't grab a bunch of blue states this way and then just never get around to doing the same to red states.
Conservatives need to stop thinking about being fair. Life is not fair... exploit the system. I assure you that the people of Alabama will not suddenly demand to split their votes just because some blue states are doing it.
Agreed, agreed, and agreed.
1. I think NY is the only other state that will go easily into the NVPIC, and the fact that they haven't yet actually surprises me.
2. Cynical is fine by me. That's politics. I'm just looking further out at the mass of it.
3. No, I don't expect all 50 states to join in, but AL might very well be the "oddball" in the future as ME and NE are today.
P.S. Shame works better on Californians than it does on Alabamans. LOL!
Getting California to go proportional would be awesome, but I don't think it will happen. The Democrats fully understand that they don't want to do this in states where they have the advantage. But if we could grab a handful of true blue states -- Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, like this, that could permanently change the map in our favor.
As for cynical, I really wish conservatives would get more cynical. The Dudley Do-Right routine is a disaster in politics.
As an interesting aside, this "toto" comment is a good example of why people should be careful trusting what they read. Everything toto said (there were three comments) is a lie. It's also a pre-written comment. It's basically leftist spam. Every time someone has mentioned the NVPIC either in an article or the comments at this site, this thing (always using different names) shows up and plants these three comments. I'm assuming they have a program that scours the web looking for mention of the NVPIC.
toto, you could just offer a link the the website you're cutting and pasting from. I've personally read all of that before, but it's non-persuasive to me. As has been noted numerous times on this thread alone, politics isn't about what's fair. And if you think NPV will make things so, you underestimate human ingenuity in the matter of rigging systems.
The thrust is that any proposal to change the Electoral College system, by modification or abandonment, is a solution in search of a problem. The stuff you've pasted pretty well lays that case out. Plus, of the four instances where a president was appointed without winning the popular vote, none have resulted in upheaval.
Thus, any such proposals can and should be regarded cynically, which is what we are doing.
Oops, now I feel stupid for responding.
I wouldn't feel stupid. This thing fooled both Larry and me the first time it posted. By the second, third, fourth, fifth, etc. times, we figured it out. It's always the same comment by under a different account name.
And nothing is says makes sense, nor are the numbers it cites accurate. It's just propaganda.
Actually, if you follow the toto profile to the blogs it has, it looks like they hijacked some old blogs. I've seen that several times, but it's usually porn spammers who do that.
Andrew....The left has done very well adopting Alinsky's "Rules For Radicals." In this case, Rules 4 and 8. If the repubs would follow these rules they would at least possibly, maybe, perhaps, understand what they are up against and devise some effective responses.......nah, who am I kidding!
The rules
RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.
RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
RULE 11: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
RULE 12: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.
Andrew, I'm re-reading the toto comments in my email. Like I said, I've seen it before, too; I recognize it from some NPV website. It's almost humorous in the way it simply asserts ideas without supporting them. "The electoral college has problems X, Y, and Z. NPV will fix that. The end."
tryanmax, It's all just pure assertion with no logical or factual basis. I love how it claims it will make smaller states more important because now every vote can be contested. Forget the fact that you could now win the election by just contesting the 10-12 biggest cities in the country.
Patriot, It would definitely help if conservatives at least understand the principle behind those rules, which is that there are no awards for second place in politics. Conservatives work under this bizarre idea that somehow politics is a "gentleman's pursuit," like a high school debating club.
Because of that they are repeatedly unprepared to meet the attacks from the left and they have no ability to fight back.
They need to stop living in a past that never was and they need to realize that politics is about power, not love and respect.
Andrew....Think about it:
Republicans are all about limited government right? Yet they are fighting big government on the enemies terms.
Republicans expect Dems to play by the rules right? Roberts Rules of Order, not Alinsky's Rules For Radicals. Yet they do nothing when those rules are broken and flaunted.
Republicans expect Dems to follow the Constitution because they "took an oath." How naive.
Why haven't the Republicans EVER asked Obama, or any other Dem hack politico, exactly what their definition of "fair" or "equal" is?
It sure would be nice to have an effective opposition party in this country, instead of Progressivism and Liberalism.
Oopsie, I lied. The BIG SCREAMING HEADLINE on HuffPo is that REID: FILIBUSTER "REFORM" IN 36 HOURS.
[I added the quotations around "reform" since I doubt it will actually "reform" anything, but hey, at least he tries,right?]
Aw, there was a leftist spammer here and I missed it? Some people have all the fun. :-/
T-Rav, Yep, you missed it. Actually, it wasn't all that fun. It tried to look like a legitimate post, but it wasn't.
Bev, There's real irony here if Reid does this because they still can't get anything through the House, and now their supporters will think they have no excuse for not getting things done.
Patriot, That's the problem. The Republicans are like a boxer who has walked into a wrestling match and doesn't have a clue what to do except to complain to the ref that he keeps being hit with a chair.
They need to learn that all is fair in politics and that there is no such thing as honor in politics... just victory.
Talk about how to defeat the Dems being served on a silver platter. But then how many times has that happened but...
If people play dirty, there is no way to win unless you play dirtier.
I miss how the Breitbart sites used to handle lib spammers. Leave them to the wolves(us). I don't see why they bother, like whatever nonsense they spout is going to change out minds. It reminds me of why lib radio talk shows all failed. The callers would rip the lib host apart. It was fun to listen to in the old days. These days any lib talker sounds like they took the short bus to school.
Max, Exactly, this is the perfect way to beat the Democrats... so I'm sure we'll never do it. :(
What's interesting about "toto" is that it pretends it's not liberal. It actually tries to sound conservative/libertarian and it makes arguments that sound like pro-conservative arguments, but they're all fake. It's just pure lies. It would be like me say, "well, it's been proven that punching yourself in the face will certain result in you feeling better."
"Politics is a bloodsport." -Neil Kinnock
Kit, Absolutely true. So why can't the Republicans understand that? That's the question. Are they just naive or are they truly stupid?
There's real irony here if Reid does this because they still can't get anything through the House, and now their supporters will think they have no excuse for not getting things done...
Yeah, that is why this exercise could turn out great for the Repubs (Yeah, I know, but remember the brain hemorrhage I had earlier??). Now, Reid loses his standard excuse as to why nothing is getting done. But the Dems will also lose their excuse down the road if they ram through legislation that is bad or doesn't do anything. Our ace in the whole with Obamacare still is that no Republican voted for it.
Oh, I know what you're thinking, Andrew! What are the odds of bad legislation, right??
Andrew....."Kit, Absolutely true. So why can't the Republicans understand that? That's the question. Are they just naive or are they truly stupid?"
Answer: Yes and Yes
Patriot, Yeah, that's what I thought. I mean, we're not talking theoretical physics here... this is basic stuff. And yet, it seems beyond the understanding anyone in the Republican Party. It's puzzling, and frustrating.
Bev, I think that's exactly right. The Democrats will lose their excuse and their supporters will demand that they start passing all kinds of lunatic garbage out of the Senate. That's going to create a PR nightmare for them.
As for bad legislation, I can't imagine the Democrats coming up with bad legislation? Not... possible. LOL!!
P.S. Sorry about the hemorrhage, you should put some ice on that, or drink a martini. :D
Andrew, I like the way you think! I think I will just combine this and just put the ice in a martini! It could double as my flu vaccine too!
Bev, Good thinking! And I've heard that martinis are good against the flu!
You know what's even better against the flu? Crystal meth. Works great for obesity, too, or so I've heard. And hey, the hallucinations stabilize after a while, so why not?
T-Rav - I think we've been down this road before...losing all of your teeth and aging 40 years in a day FAR outweigh the obvious flu and any anti-obesity pluses! Okay, you've got me on the hallucination thing, but the rest, T-Rav, the rest! And...and THINK OF THE CHILDREN, T-RAV!!!
Bev, Kids love the great taste of Meth.
T-Rav, Meth is good for weight loss? Does Weight Watchers know this?
Oh, well, Andrew, if the children LOVE the taste of meth, then that's different. Children can be soooo picky, sometimes.
And I speak from experience that Weight Watchers does not know, but I will let them know. I wonder how many points meth is?
Andrew, somebody will. Eventually some guy or a group will have had enough.
If you hit yourself in the face enough, eventually you won't feel a thing.
Or you could take meth, not much difference.
Bev, I'm pretty sure Meth is negative points!!
Max, I get the feeling the real problem is that our establishment doesn't realize they're supposed to be fighting.
LOL! I saw some more of those "toto" comments come though my email. These ones were worse than the first. One of them discussed the "wasted" votes under the current system, what you call 50%+1. It gave a bunch of totals about from the 2000 election (which kinda tells you the reason for pushing NPV). Then, amusingly, it insisted that with NPV, no votes would be "wasted." Excuse me? Does that mean we're expecting all elections to be fought within the margin of error from now until eternity? Utter nonsense!
Yeah, "toto" was back. He'll come back a third time if history is any guide.
I love how it argues that suddenly politicians will go fight in every corner of the country for every single vote because they're all "equal." Give me a break. Politicians will go where votes are concentrated. The NPV is a recipe for limiting politics to the big cities.
Under the NPV, no small state would ever see another presidential candidate.
Yeah, NPV would pretty much aggravate almost every problem that libs have with the electoral college system. It's typical leftist thinking: Different = Better
BTW, I actually followed the links to "toto's" blog. It's been inactive for over 2 years, but he did apparently advocate NPV on it when it was active. I'm thinking he maybe constructed a bot that is still going even if he isn't. Just a guess, I don't really know how that stuff works.
Under the NPV, no small state would ever see another presidential candidate.
Hmmmm, it's almost worth moving to Delaware...almost. Almost because these are the people who keep electing Bidens.
tryanmax, That could be. I've just seen a lot of blog takeover when they remain inactive. I'm not sure how that works, but a normal blog will suddenly start spitting out all kinds of spam.
The NPV would make liberals very happy because presidential politics would be played in places like New York City, Los Angeles, Boston, Phili, Denver. What do those places all have in common?
As for their concerns about making sure votes count or whatever, that's just rhetoric.
Bev, I personally think Delaware should finally admit it's just a suburb and should be absorbed into the surrounding states.
Andrew
Rhode Island can kick Delaware's butt...
Sure its smaller but its scrappy
Andrew
There are probably using a password cracker. Any password can be cracked given enough time. If an account is inactive then the attempts will never get noticed and when they finally take over no one is there to complain to blogger that they can't access their account anymore.
So it does not surpise me this happens with inactive blogs
Indi, I would bet on Rhode Island as well. Delaware just seems kind of weak. Does anyone actually live there besides Biden and some corporations?
That could be with the password cracker.
Look guys, it's a simple formula. If your body is decaying while you're still alive thanks to meth, that means you're losing weight. Besides which, it's obviously killing anything living, which means the flu virus can't live to make you sick! I don't see the downside here.
Andrew,
The VA GOP apparently reads your blog.
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The state Senate is split 20-20 between Republicans and Democrats. On Monday, while state Sen. Henry Marsh (D) — a 79-year-old civil rights veteran — was reportedly in Washington to attend President Obama’s second inaugural, GOP senators forced through a mid-term redistricting plan that Democrats say will make it easier for Republicans to gain a majority.
With Marsh’s absence, Senate Republicans in Richmond had one more vote than Senate Democrats and could push the measure through. The new redistricting map revises the districts created under the 2011 map and would take effect before the next state Senate elections in Virginia and would redraw district lines to maximize the number of safe GOP seats.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/01/republicans-dirty-trick-inauguration.php?ref=fpnewsfeed
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However, the Republicans decided to prove my notion that a procedural move couldn't be spun against them wrong by adjourning the MLK day session not in the name of MLK, but a Confederate general.
Anthony, I saw that but sadly I'm not sure how it will play out yet.
On the one hand, I think it's brilliant. They have rigged the system in their favor and by the time the next election rolls around, no one will remember this. So it's a great idea.
On the other hand, half the Republicans in the state went weak-kneed on this, including the governor who may not sign it because he made noises about this being unfair.
Now keep in mind... the Democrats never worry about fair. They fled Wisconsin to stop votes they would lose (and have done so in other states), they brought in outside muscle to threaten legislators, they do recalls all the time. In Mass, they changed the rules twice to stop Republicans from getting the Senate seat. Not once did a single Democrat worry that this was unfair. Only Republicans worry about that.
As for the Confederate aspect, that's downright stupid on their part and it only reinforces the idea that conservatives hate blacks.
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