● I have to say that I haven't seen the leftist media and political class this happy in some time. It's funny. They aren't dismayed. They aren't outraged or shocked. Nope. They are borderline giddy about what they see as an opportunity to exploit, especially when that guy drove into the crowd. They are happier than pigs in sh*t. I find that rather sick... but hardly unexpected.
● It's funny too how I don't see the word "allegedly" anywhere in their articles or warnings that we need to be cautious about his motives. I guess that really does only apply to Muslim terrorists.
● For the record, I don't care about any of this. I really don't. This stuff has gotten tiring. Tiny groups of impotent fringe retards protest and counter-protest and someone gets hurt. Yawn. If you play in this game of losers, then you have no right to whine when you get hurt. This is the political version of Crips versus Bloods, and whining that one of yours got killed in a drive-by is disingenuous. Frankly, I'd like to see them both kill each other off.
● Of course, the left wants you to believe this is somehow normal. Hillary Clinton actually cackled, "If this isn't America, let's prove it." Wow. So Hillary thinks this is America? Well, don't ever tell me she doesn't hate America again. And for the record, hag, let me point out that this rally was so tiny that you can't even compare it statistically against America. In what MSNBC called "the largest gathering of its kind in decades," they said that "hundreds of racists" marched. So statistically, for each of these assh*les, there are roughly one million average Americans who did not attend or support this rally in any way. How in the world can something that is one in a million be considered representative? If Hillary were at all genuine, she would be celebrating the fact that this in no way represents America. But she wants it to exploit it... racial fear sells to her peeps.
● Of course, the usual suspects are attacking Trump as if he sponsored this. Ridiculous. His statement against the white racists and condemning the violence apparently wasn't strong enough in their eyes. That's a BS basis to accept as criticism though because there's nothing he could have said they wouldn't find fault with. That's just the game they play. As an aside, isn't it funny how they never blamed Obama for all the things that happened under his watch? Hypocrites.
Thoughts?
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BTW, I just read that Twitter is "outing" people who attended the rally. While I don't give a crap about these racists, I find that despicable.
We really have reached an Orwellian world if an internet company can decide whom to "out" and whom to protect.
On the last point, absolutely! How many times did Trump disavow David Duke and the left is demanding it yet again!? Disavowal only creates association. You can't stop others from tarring you, but you can avoid helping.
On that note, Duke was tweeting about Trump, which of course brought calls to disavow. One writer called it a potential Sister Souljah moment that Trump probably won't take. That just shows utter ignorance of the original Sister Souljah moment.
tryanmax, It's a game the left plays. No matter what Trump says, they will judge it as not enough. And if he says something that they can't dismiss that way, they'll dismiss it as too late... not genuine... or forced by the public.
There is nothing Trump could say they will accept. Ted Cruz is finding himself in this now too as the NYT said that his condemnation was mere posturing. It's a game you won't win.
Andrew, what's utterly disheartening is that National Review has an op-ed up basically doing the same thing. I'm sure more 'conservative' outlets will follow soon.
As he has done since his reemergence as a right leaning populist, Trump will put himself at the minimum safe distance from David Duke and the KKK. How far that distance is remains to be seen and will largely be determined by the pressure brought to bear.
On a related note, Trump regularly attacks political opponents in terms that the blood and soil crowd loves. Obama was a secret Muslim with a fake birth certificate, Cruz's father was involved in the assassination of Kennedy, the Gold Star dad who criticized him was a secret supporter of terrorism.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/28/politics/donald-trump-white-supremacists/index.html
Trump was pressed three times on whether he'd distance himself from the Ku Klux Klan -- but never mentioned the group in his answers.
"I don't know anything about what you're even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists," he said. "So I don't know. I don't know -- did he endorse me, or what's going on? Because I know nothing about David Duke; I know nothing about white supremacists."
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Despite what he said Sunday, Trump apparently did know Duke in 2000 -- citing him, as well as Pat Buchanan and Lenora Fulani -- in a statement that year explaining why he had decided to end his brief flirtation with a Reform Party presidential campaign.
"The Reform Party now includes a Klansman, Mr. Duke, a neo-Nazi, Mr. Buchanan, and a communist, Ms. Fulani. This is not company I wish to keep," Trump said in a statement reported then by The New York Times.
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*Shrugs* But all that was known before Trump was elected.
As I've said before the public doesn't turn on presidents for issues they knew about when the person was a candidate but for policies enacted while in office. Sex scandals distracted the Clinton administration a great deal, but gun control and Hillarycare is what did in the legislative majority.
No matter the opinion, people expressing opinions non-violently should not be met with violence.
As for the marchers, I criticized the guy who sucker punched the white supremacist who was giving an interview and I criticize the guy who decided to run over people who based on the reports and the video were just walking along holding signs and chanting.
As for how fair it is to tie Trump to all of that crap in Virginia, he has fed the craziest fantasies of the alt right for years.
Tell the local wino that you are pretty sure your neighbor who you have a fencing dispute with has cast a spell on him that makes him impotent and that spell will continue as long as your neighbor lives, don't profess shock and horror when said hobo kills your neighbor ('It was just for laughs, I never thought anything would happen!').
Trump does it, but so do many other political types (it seems to be required to get ahead nowadays).
Here are some relevant quotes from what I said after the Bernie bro tried to kill the Congressman.
http://commentaramapolitics.blogspot.com/2017/06/the-democratic-rage-problem.html
People called for coups and assassinations and played to the craziest fears of their supporters for years (there will never be another election, they will put you in chains, they will take your guns, they are secret foreigners, etc).
Establishment types who believe there are lines that shouldn't be crossed can and usually do condemn such things, but condemnation is meaningless at best, counterproductive at worse.
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I agree its at a new level. My point is this is a pattern that began during Bush II and has steadily gotten worse. I agree things are worse than ever now because the left is so violent.
Tell people that your political opponent is a secret agent of an enemy power, that he is secretly selling drugs to kill a community, planning to enslave or kill them, or running a child pornography ring out of a pizzaria, people who take you seriously (most won't), will do something violent because those are horrible things.
tryanmax, Conservative "officialdom" long ago became the lapdog of the left, which is why Trump and the fringe right even became a thing. National Review in particular has become reflexively masochistic.
Anthony, As for Trump, let me ask what exactly this has to do with Trump? Thinking that it does just falls for leftist propaganda. Trump didn't cause this, inspire it or encourage it. He even condemned it. So where is the connection? The connection is that the anti-Trumps see this as yet another convenient way to attack him so they've invented a connection by pretending that somehow he encourages these people and hasn't done enough to stop them. By the same silly token, I could argue that Obama is guilty of every crime committed by blacks. It's nonsense.
As for "No matter the opinion, people expressing opinions non-violently should not be met with violence", I think you've missed the point. They want violence. Neither side is making legitimate political points nor do they have any thought to ever being anything but fringe. They just go out and bait each other and bait the cops and hope for violence so they can be martyrs and use it as an excuse to "fight back." They are thugs who use politics as their motivation.
They are criticizing Trump's statement for not being strong enough because it wasn't strong enough. Trump attacked his own Attorney General in stronger terms than he attacked the Neo-Nazis. Now, normally, this wouldn't be a big deal but for him, it is.
The Neo-Nazi website Daily Stormer declared that Trump's "vagueness" was an endorsement of them so they are likely to be even more rowdy and violent at future rallies. Oh, and Richard Spencer has said there will be future rallies at the site. The people who were carrying those Tiki torches and chanting anti-semitic slogans think President Trump supports them and feel emboldened.
Of course, this also means the Antifas are probably going to become more unhinged than they already are.
By not attacking white supremacy he has just made the situation even more dangerous. And all he has to do is bring up his Jewish daughter, son-in-law, and grandchildren and say he considers anti-semites to be "losers" or something.
There is information—I hate to call it just rumor—circulating that the Charlottesville police dispersed the Alt-Right rally directly into Antifa protesters. According to witnesses present, the park was barricaded on 3 sides and Antifa was allowed to amass on the open side. Upon declaration of the Unite The Right as an unlawful assembly, police ordered attendees to disperse toward the unbarricaded side. Attendees of the event claim to have demanded to be arrested rather than face Antifa and attempted civil disobedience to that end, but were instead pepper sprayed.
A suit against Charlottesville filed by ACLU-VA on behalf of Jason Kessler supports the assertion that the city had already acted prejudicially against the assembly.
There seems to be little to contradict the wave of reports that police were ill-equipped despite weeks to prepare and stood down as violence erupted, in some cases, simply watching as protesters from either side were being beaten. It is certainly obvious from photo and video that protesters and counter-protesters alike were allowed to assemble with metal bats and other melee items.
And all he has to do is bring up his Jewish daughter, son-in-law, and grandchildren...
No one should have to mention what is by most definitions common knowledge. At best, it would be dismissed as a "I have black friends" style argument.
On the other hand, it might draw scrutiny as to whether Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump are sufficiently Jewish. Such scrutiny could work for or against the president, depending on how he played it. His worst moves are easy to suppose. His best move would be to turn it back on accusers as a sign of their own antisemitism. But, that's speculation built on speculation. I don't think the major press outlets are quite so incautious just yet.
Besides, this deliberate revivification of the "Trump is a Nazi" narrative demonstrates just how far that narrative receded with Trump doing none of the things recommended to him. Why should he take recommendations from concern trolls anyway? Giving people what they want and making people happy have less to do with each other than most people realize.
The Left's new motto is: It's Not Fascism When We Do It.
Oh oh. Trump now has condemned them unequivocally. What now?
You know when I wrote last week "As if things aren't stupid enough"
Charlottesville: Hold my beer...
Bev, When aren't these people marching? One side or the other does it almost every weekend. The only reason this one is bigger is the idiot with the car and because they haven't had anything to attack Trump over for a week or so.
Oh oh. Trump now has condemned them unequivocally. What now?
Refrains of "Not good enough."
They just handed Trump a talking point, BTW. Now he can forever recall the time he denounced the Nazis and the KKK after Charlottesville and the left said it wasn't good enough.
tryanmax, Not good enough... took too long... we know he doesn't mean it.
BTW, the left is celebrating the fact their side is "now" willing to use violence to oppose the left, as well as vandalism around the country of Confederate monuments. Do you think they care about anyone who get hurt or killed?
You know, what I find frustrating about this is the right. The left, they're shits. That's been proven time and again. There's no changing that.
But the right... the right falls to its knees and cries like a baby every time something like this happens. You are talking about a hundred retards, and that's how the right should be taking this.
This is about 100 retards... that's it. And they've been universally condemned. What does that say about America? It says amazing things. It says that racism is all but gone in America. It says that our culture no longer tolerates this crap and that you can put all the white race haters into a single airplane. What other country can say that. Be proud... celebrate... be happy that we have come this far.
Instead, they take up the left's bait about people not condemning it in the precise words the left considers acceptable. Talk about stupid.
To continue my thought, every piece of shit leftist is now writing articles or cozying up to microphones smugly describing "Charlottesville" as if it was an attempted genocide by the majority of the American public. They writing articles "to the white race" and "we always knew this was there!" It's 100 f*cking people!! They bust child sex rings bigger than that. Are we to believe America is a nation of pedophiles too?
No one as far as I can see is defending this country from this constant slander and it's pissing me off.
Andrew,
Acknowledging that crazy talk can lead crazy people to crazy actions is just common sense.
Trump has cozied up to the alt right for years in ways I explained in prior posts (including the two in this thread).
Condemning violence and idiocy that fuels it (eventually) is wonderful, not feeding said idiocy before attacks would be even better.
The attack made the alt right and their apologists look bad, not the country at large.
The attack overshadowed some of the violent crap Antifa types pulled off over the weekend, but I have no doubt they will up the ante in order to regain the coveted title of 'most vicious idiots'.
I see absolutely no difference between the BLM protesters destroying statues of Confederates and the Taliban blowing up statues in Afghanistan..none...
Critch, Isn't that interesting? And yet, no one is mentioning that.
Anthony,
I agree that it overshadowed all the violence that the left is doing. My problem is that the attacks by the right on Trump are playing into that. This should have been dismissed as a lone lunatic who is part of an ideology embraced by under a thousand losers... not in any way representative of America or conservatism and then combined with a condemnation of the violence of the left.
Instead, the weak-kneed right has turned this into yet another soul searching "boo hoo why are there so many of these people on our side and why aren't we doing enough to stop them!" At the same time, the left if reveling in having a group that will now "meet the racists with violence."
Do you not see the problems with this? Why would the public think the left is bad if the right not only draws an equivalence between the fringe left and the right as a whole and then hears the right lament how bad the right is?
Moreover, I have seen dozens upon dozens of articles and comments by people on the right and not one of them mentions anything the left has done. All they do is attack Trump. And they aren't even attacking him for what "he did", they are attacking him for shaky long-term opinions about him supporting racism in some nebulous way in the past.
If this were a war, the left would be carpet bombing cities and the right would be whining about the harshness of their own leaders in arresting protestors.
Andrew,
Setting aside moral considerations, the embrace of violent thugs who attack one's opponents has done the left no favors politically and will do them no favors. I see no point in emulating them.
Quite a few conservatives are linking the alt right and Antifas and other violent leftists.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/450462/antifa-alt-right-twin-cancers-eating-america
And so here we stand: On the one side, a racist, identity-politics Left dedicated to the proposition that white people are innate beneficiaries of privilege and therefore must be excised from political power; on the other side, a reactionary, racist, identity-politics alt-right dedicated to the proposition that white people are innate victims of the social-justice class and therefore must regain political power through race-group solidarity.
https://m.townhall.com/columnists/billmurchison/2017/08/15/violence-to-the-right-and-left-of-us-n2368620
None of these activities, one might submit, rises to the level of murder with an automobile, as in Charlottesville. You can't tell, though. In mob scenes, one thing leads to another. The Black Lives Matter demonstrations, with just the right edge of anger and indignation, often turned into street fights with police. A left-wing counterpart to the alt-right calling itself Anti-Fascist Action, or Antifa, has shown an aptitude for violence -- unto the punching of Richard Spencer on presidential inauguration day. Call that "proportional" violence if you like. A larger view of the matter is that violence breeds violence, disregard for the liberty of others inspires general disregard for the liberty of all claimants to be heard.
So Trump walked back his unambiguous Monday statement, stating that there were violent thugs on both sides (true) but both sides also included well intentioned people (which the KKK really appreciated and which David Duke thanked Trump for). I am shocked, shocked at this turn of events.
I will say I disagree with the push to get Trump to cut loose Bannon. Not that I'm a Bannon fan, but its Trump's cabinet and Trump should staff it with people whose advice he values, whoever those people are.
Also, I am no fan of the Confederacy, but I am glad to see the vandal who took down the Confederate statue charged. If localities decide to relocate/rename stuff which was created back in the 1920s when the Klan was riding high, great, but random yahoos should not be able knock down public property.
This story shows just how close the left and right fringes are. The guy driving the rally was an Occupy camper/Obama supporter up until last year.
https://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2017/08/16/oh-my-leftist-southern-poverty-law-center-lists-charlottesville-white-supremacist-organizer-as-former-occupy-wall-street-obama-supporter-n2369506
Relying on familiar tropes of “white genocide” and “demographic displacement,” white nationalist blogger Jason Kessler seeks notoriety with his "Unite the Right" march in Charlottesville, Virginia.
Rumors abound on white nationalist forums that Kessler’s ideological pedigree before 2016 was less than pure and seem to point to involvement in the Occupy movement and past support for President Obama.
At one recent speech in favor of Charlottesville’s status as a sanctuary city, Kessler live-streamed himself as an attendee questioned him and apologized for an undisclosed spat during Kessler’s apparent involvement with Occupy. Kessler appeared visibly perturbed by the woman’s presence and reminders of their past association.
Those speaking at the Charlottesville “Unite the Right” event include Richard Spencer, who spoke at the first Charlottesville rally, Mike Enoch of The Right Stuff, Matthew Heimbach of the white nationalist Traditionalist Workers Party, Augustus Invictus, a pagan neo-fascist who has pledged to bring about a second Civil War, and Michael Hill of the League of the South.
Interesting interview with Bannon. I agree with him on China and NK but it's wild that he is freely contradicting Trump on the record. Bannon seems sure of his position, but so was the Mooch.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/16/bannon-calls-far-right-clowns-says-enemies-are-wetting-themselves-in-rare-interview.html
Bannon, the former executive chair of Breitbart, called a reporter with the magazine The American Prospect.
“Ethno-nationalism – it’s losers. It’s a fringe element,” Bannon said. “I think the media plays it up too much, and we gotta help crush it, you know, uh, help crush it more.”
He added, “These guys are a collection of clowns.”
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"I’m changing out people at East Asian Defense; I’m getting hawks in. I’m getting Susan Thornton [acting head of East Asian and Pacific Affairs] out at State," the strategist said.
Bannon's interview also covered North Korea. Despite Trump's claims of "fire and fury" against the regime, Bannon said "There's no military solution [to North Korea's nuclear threats], forget it."
"Until someone solves the part of the equation that shows me that ten million people in Seoul don't die in the first 30 minutes from conventional weapons, I don't know what you're talking about, there's no military solution here, they got us," Bannon said.
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