As the swing states decide, we'll update the map above and let you know which states have gone which way. Reputable sources say Romney wins 315 votes. My personal guess is that he wins 301 votes: New Hampshire, VA, NC, Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin, Iowa, all of Nebraska, Colorado, and Nevada. He does not get Oregon, any of Maine, or Pennsylvania. But we'll see.
The Senate is important tonight too. Of those "in play," we are defending: Massachusetts, Indiana, Maine and Arizona. All but Arizona are endangered. The Democrats are defending: Hawaii, Wisconsin, Connecticut, North Dakota, Nebraska, Montana, Ohio, Florida, Missouri, Pennsylvania, and Virginia. All but Florida are endangered. We need to win a net of four seats to take control. I predict we win four.
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 494 of 494Andrew: I agree 100%. If this goes the way it's looking, America gets what it deserves. Taxmageddon. Obamacare. $6 gas prices. $5 trillion more in debt. Etc. And sadly, it's the stupid schmucks who voted for Obama that will suffer the most, and they don't even know it.
Arizona! Yeah, baby!
Pittsburgh, yeah, but the rest of us have to live here too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My understanding of the electorate is sadly lacking.
Patriot, here's your nod.
As I pass through my incarnations in every age and race,
I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.
We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.
We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place;
But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.
With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.
When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “Stick to the Devil you know.“
On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “The Wages of Sin is Death.”
In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “If you don’t work you die.”
Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four—
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.
As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man—
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began:—
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool’s bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;
And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!
-Rudyard Kipling
rlaWTX, I feel your pain. I am a red speck living in the People's Republic of South Jersey!
Anthony, ditto.
Note to self: To steal $1.6 billion from customers without prosecution, throw a few bucks Obama's way and say "I forgot where I put it." Very truly yours, Jon Corzine. P.S. I'd like my receipt for 1 future election, please.
Pitts, You know what? Sometimes you have to let fools get burned before they wake up. I say grind everything to a halt and let things fall apart.
Speaking for myself, I owe the American people nothing. Not my loyalty, not my respect. If they're going to screw me over, I am perfectly willing to do the same to them.
Romney appears to be losing ground in FL.
Looking for an island...Fuck the rest of the idiots. I agree with all of you swearing here, I have no problem with it. These assholes will pay for what they have done.
Andrew 151 K is the population per Census in 2010 but at this point it is moot. They Reported and Romney is still down 17K in votes and Broward and Miami are the only ones left.
I literally don't know how I am going to survive financially with BO remaining in office. There is no way the economy will get better.
We just fell off the cliff.........
time to secede, y'all.
I'm moving to Texas. Or the Caymans.
Patti, can we leave Austin & Houston behind when we get away?
i guess all I can say right now is it is coming down to those few states we all knew it would. None have been called so far. If Romney wins Ohio and Florida and Virginia, he probably wins. If he loses any one of these, it is over.
rlawtx: i'll agree to austin!
I guess the next question is how can we manage to get our own out of the system if it all goes downhill...?
T-Rav, I agree. I owe nothing. I've paid my share. It's time to take.
Taxpayer strike!
It's over. That asshole won Ohio.
RIP America.
For those who are still sober, Fox News just called Ohio for Obama. Game over.
Makers v. Takers. I'm going to be a taker.
NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO
Jen, pretty much. Fuck 'em all. That's my motto at this point.
Jesse Jackson Jr. won from a mental institution...how fitting.
ftcetrgf bvct
Any thoughts on how much the market will sell off tomorrow?
I can still hope for a "Dewey Wins" moment in the morning, right?
Oh God ...
NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO
Pitts, Fortunately, I'm short in the market. :)
I'm going to watch Kitchen Nightmares. Seems fitting.
NBC just called it for Obama...
So I'm just done watching the news for a while. I've put it on AMC.
You know what really grinds my gears? You, America! Fuck you!
=*(
We are so screwed.
T-Rav, Yeah, fuck 'em all. Wait until you see what happens next. It's going to get really ugly, and if them assholes think they will get away with what they did, they are in for a big surprise.
Jen, you have time to look through those islands yet?
Well, I am going to bed, either way, let's keep on going next morning.
rla, yes, and my sister already has some picked out.
so much for whatever pundits teased us. Dick Morris, Michael Barone, all of the suckers were just setting us up for Charlie Brown and the football.
Wow, just...wow. We are a really stupid country. I expect that Obama will be impeached though. So at least THAT'S something we can look forward to...
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
going back to Casino Royale - maybe looking at Daniel Craig for a while will help me out of the Pit of Despair.
[Dewey! Dewey! Dewey!]
g'night.
Bev, wishful thinking? Or can that really happen.
I haven't felt this sick since Clinton was re-elected. On the the bright side, we're half-way through this misery. Hopefully future Congresses will have the guts to undo some of the crap the next 4 years will bring.
a friend's fb post (goes along with T-Rav's Kipling post here):
Alexis de Toqueville was prescient...“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.”
Okay, so the Mayans may just have been right...expect the end of civilization to commence Dec. 21 and the Zombie attacks to commence shortly after.
Mayans & Zombies would be an improvement...
I am afraid the American dream is over. Our country is in decline. No silver linings. If we could not beat this president under these circumstances, there is no hope. I feel sorry for our kids.
Well, we can take comfort in that fact that Romney has won the popular vote...
I just saw that Romney is disputing Ohio being called for TOTUS...
Well, here comes the firebombs. We will be Greece.
Sorry, I had to pull away, but now I'm in the mood to commiserate.
All I can say is that if the electorate is really that PO'ed about Washington gridlock, they sure have a funny way of showing it.
Congrats, America. You've proved Lincoln wrong.
BTW, congrats to all you "sit out the vote" Evangelicals. I hope God has answered your prayers the way you wanted.
Am I bitter? Am I? Go on, ask me if I'm bitter. Ask me!
Fox is showing a Romney lead in Ohio at the moment.
Tryanmax - I am sensing you are bitter. Is this true?
rla, you know what our idiots would say about De Tocqueville these days? "He's a mean rich guy! He doesn't understand the poor!"
And then they would write him off as irrelevant.
Bev, why, yes. Thanks for asking. :-)
The Yahoo! map shows Romney leading too, but they called for Obama...
USArtguy, I think we're at a tipping point. If these goddamned voters didn't have the will to get rid of Obama after ObamaCare, the stimulus, and the atrocious abandonment of our people in Libya, how can we trust them to make the right decisions in the future?
You know what it came down to?
A hurricane. A FUCKING hurricane.
Screw all the other foul-ups, let's give this guy four more years because he visited Jersey and looked really presidential for five minutes.
What do you do with an electorate like that?
Okay, the punditry is driving me nuts! All the same people who were telling Romney to play nice are now saying he didn't hit hard enough. Grrr!
And yes, I am drinking right now. But I would be saying the same thing if I was cold sober.
Not that it matters. Even if they give Ohio back, Romney needs all three of the uncalled states. I just can't believe it.
All I can figure is that Democrats have been pushing this "new normal" idea for far longer than the last four years. It at least goes back to Carter, so longer than I've been alive. Eventually, a message like that sinks in. Obama's claim so far has been that things could be worse. Never they could be better. It seems we've reached the tipping point where we are no longer an optimistic people. "Things could be better" just didn't ring true to enough people this time.
I tried going to bed but I feel too sick to even try to sleep.
This seems appropriate to the times...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhc_Oem8Whc&feature=relmfu
ditto, T-Rav. word for word. (except I'm not drinking, just fed up and frustrated and sick)
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
Maybe someone should check on Andrew? He hasn't been around in about an hour; I hope he didn't do anything rash.
They just called Colorado for TOTUS; you never can tell...
Here's a problem brewing: the conservative punditry is already self-flagellating that the campaign strategy is a capital "L" loser. While that's objectively true in terms of the electoral results, it's looking like the end result will be a Romney popular win in spite of the electoral outcome.
Now, I'm not about to make a case for eliminating the electoral college, but the lesson being taken away is precisely the wrong one. Conservatism as it took shape in this campaign is clearly the popular winner nationwide. The last thing to do in the next four years is run from that. Rather, the appropriate strategy for the next four years is to bolster that brand and build it up in the states where it didn't sell well enough.
But I suspect what will be done is what the GOP does every time it loses a major election: it will reject the best parts of its platform believing those to be the problem and focus on enhancing its message in the areas that tend to scare independent voters.
Okay, good night everyone. Hey, it is what it is and we can't let it get to us.
Yeah, I'm a little concerned about Andrew, as well.
tryanmax, that's why I really liked Krauthammer's take - basically, TOTUS has no mandate, so nothing much will happen the next 4 years. I interpreted that to mean "YAY Gridlock!!!"
Tryanmax - I sent Andrew an email...I was wondering where he was myself.
rlaWTX, I will gladly take four years of gridlock over what we got in the first two years of 0bama.
On the bright side, my zero key will see four more years of continued use.
rlaWTX, here is something hilarious. Just as we are talking about gridlock, Mike Murphy on NBC is talking about how the voters want action from DC.
This ain't the way to get it, people!
Look at the map
Romney wins the territory. Obama wins in states that are smaller in area and even when you look at his wins in these states by county he loses the area. The blue is concentrated in tight little balls.
These are urban ghettos that vote him in. People who are enslaved to a welfare system of largesse who don't have any other option. The price of Gas, the price of food none of this matters to them because they don't pay for it.
This meme that democrats are educated voters along with the urban sprawl. More nonsense. They define educated only as people who register as Democrats.
There is a great day a coming.... we have a debt that exceeds our GDP. Forget the numbers the billions and trillions just glaze over. We owe our entire country to someone esle. We have a Deficit that is almost 10% of our GDP (1.2 trillion to 14 trillion) about 9%. We now have a legislature that cannot reduce this number because we have a Semnate and Executive that won't allow the congress to pass this.
We are going to implode and I don't see any way it will be stopped. Getting the Senate in 2014 will be too late.
Tryanmax - by "action" they mean "stuff"...
Moonbeam Brown is talking about how the voters will accept a modest tax increase while Prop 38 is going down in flames.
Interestingly, whatshisface on NBC keeps calling this a "status quo election" which isn't exactly a triumphal way of putting it.
"Maybe someone should check on Andrew? He hasn't been around in about an hour; I hope he didn't do anything rash."
I checked on him less than an hour ago. (I asked him to delay my Wednesday guest review till Thursday - I doubt anyone will be in the mood!).
He's as well as could be expected, which is to say not that well.
I voted for Gary Johnson so I just want to say this wasn't my fault! Having said that, I do find myself rather conflicted and certainly not happy - perhaps you guys are rubbing off on this Independent after all.
A comment I saw online: "At least now Obama will have only himself to blame for the last four years."
This is the most interesting...the popular vote has come down to about 30K votes difference.
Thanks Scott. And actually, YES, it is your fault. Sorry, but you have to take the fall for this one.
Seriously, Jesse Jackson Jr. won and he's in a mental institution! That is screwed up!
!!!
Bev -
Ha! (Hell, even Roseanne got a handful of votes in Florida - what a world.)
A mental institution, eh? I think you just came up with our next Commentarama "Make up your own headline/caption" contest. :-)
Okay, I really have to go to bed now. I have to work tomorrow to pay taxes so that I can support others who will not work. Yippee for us...
Look, guys - it could have been worse. We cannot give up hope now.
G'night, Bev.
I'm staying up for an hour to register for spring classes (yes, at 2:00 in the morning).
If it's any consolation, I'm paying out of pocket - no student loans for me (for now, anyway). :-)
A late thought, I'd better not hear anything about money buying votes after this, since Romney out raised and out spent 0bama in this campaign.
T-Rav, Richard Mourdock lost his Indiana senate bid (after beating Dick Lugar in the primaries) because of a poorly worded response in a debate. Mourdock, who is staunchly pro-life, explaining his stance that abortions should be illegal in all instances except those where the mother's life is in danger:
"I struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize life is that gift from God. And I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen."
Obviously he meant a living human being, and not rape, is something God intended. But our local sleazeball Democrats ran ads practically by the hour over the last 10 days or so making it sound like Mourdock said God intended rape to happen. My gut feeling when I first heard the quote (before the ads ran) was that he was just threw away any chance he had.
I had a high school history teacher who drew a horizontal line on the chalkboard. He drew a good-sized circle in the middle and said that's where most people vote. He went on to say elections aren't so much about the person who is running than they are about how successful that person is at painting his opponent as being on one end or the other (and not in the middle).
In advertising we say "perception IS reality". That's what happened to Mourdock.
USArtguy, I was referring to the elections overall, not Indiana. I won't comment on that as I'm not from the state.
T-Rv, I realize that. I was reinforcing your point by applying another example of how an election can turn on something that shouldn't have any bearing at all, a comment or an act of nature, instead of the record or character of the candidate. And I am from Indiana.
Folks. I'm here and alive. :)
Thanks for the e-mails. Sorry, I got a little distracted.
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