For those who don’t know, Ray Rice was a Baltimore Raven until Monday, when he was cut (fired) after a video surfaced showing him punching his then-fiancée (now wife) Janay in the face. This issue raises several issues that bother me. Let’s discuss.
Here is the background: Ray Rice was a popular player for the Baltimore Ravens. He’s a running back. Several months back, Rice found himself in serious trouble when a video surfaced of him dragging his unconscious fiancée (now wife) out of an elevator in an Atlantic City casino. He had knocked her unconscious during an argument.
A New Jersey prosecutor examined the case and let Rice enter a pre-trial diversionary program. Those programs require counseling and erase the crime provided the suspect stays out of trouble for some period of time. This is a very common approach to a first offense.
At the same time, the NFL examined the case and Commissioner Roger Goodell decided to suspend Rice for two games as punishment for domestic violence. The end, right? No. Before the ink was even dry on the suspension, people began to ask how a guy who knocked his fiancée unconscious could get only a two game suspension when players who commit lesser crimes (like using pot) can get as much as a lifetime ban. This did not sit well with many people. However, way more people supported Rice than wanted to see him punished further, as evidenced by massive amounts of player and sportswriter support and by the fans in Baltimore cheering him loudly during preseason.
Despite the support for Rice, the NFL realized it had made a serious PR mistake. To cover its rear end, the NFL created a new policy for domestic violence which includes an automatic six game suspension with the possibility of more. In issuing that policy, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell wrote a letter to the owners (for media consumption) in which he actually “admits” that he got the Rice suspension wrong, he apologizes to them for that mistake, and he announced he was issuing a new policy to give him greater powers to deal with these issues in the future. He couldn’t change Rice’s punishment, however, because of due process rights Rice has under their collective bargaining agreement.
As an aside, even while admitting this mistake, the NFL simultaneously tried to justify its initial two-game suspension by stating that Rice’s now-wife supported him and specifically asked that he not be punished. This is a position she continues to take today.
Monday, a new video surfaced showing Rice knocking out his fiancée in the elevator. The actual punch is missing because of the frame rate of the video, but it’s clear he rings her bell and she collapses.
The response was immediate... and wrong.
● The Public: When this issue first arose, the public actually supported Rice. They cheered him and they opposed further punishment. The twitterverse and news shows were full of players, writers and fans saying that Rice had been punished enough, that the NFL should not punish him when his fiancée supported him, and that this was between them.
Personally, I think that’s faulty reasoning. One thing we know about domestic violence is that victims typically refuse to seek punishment out of fear or a misplaced sense of loyalty. Moreover, if something is a crime, then the system should punish it, whether the victim wants the crime punished or not. Anyway, that’s not what bothered me.
What bothered me is when the second video came out. Suddenly, every single one of these idiots who excused Rice before started calling for his head. But what is the justification? It’s not like the video tells us anything new. We knew he punched her. All the video does is add a visceral feel to it. And that is the troubling aspect of this change of heart: criminal decisions should be made on the basis of facts, not visceral response. Indeed, it is bad for society if we judge guilt or innocence on the basis of how viscerally we respond to evidence.
Moreover, if we are to accept the logic that we should not punish Rice because his fiancée has absolved him of guilt, as these people originally accepted, then how does having a video of the punch suddenly change that? What exactly changes just because we can now see the punch that makes us decide to suddenly disregard her views? It strikes me that both positions are emotional conclusions looking for justifications.
Even worse, these hypocrites are now attacking the NFL for botching this situation from the get go. Basically, they blame the NFL for letting this situation get to this point, when the reality is that they happily went along with the decision. This is nothing more than an attempt to shift the blame for their own lack of principle onto the NFL, and that is pathetic.
● The NFL: The NFL responded to the new video by suspending Rice indefinitely. The Ravens cut him. I don’t condone Rice by any means, but this too strikes me as wrong. The NFL had all the evidence it needed to reach this decision when it first made its decision to suspend him two games. They gave him a two game suspension. To go back and add to that punishment because of a public backlash is wrong. Is the NFL policy an attempt to dole out justice or to garner public approval? If they are reacting to the public then it’s the latter, and if that’s the case, then it’s a crock.
Moreover, Americans are firm believers in the idea of double jeopardy, even in a non-legal context, and for the NFL to add to a punishment without new evidence of something not previously known violates our sense of fair play, and it certainly makes a mockery of the idea of due process if that process can be disregarded without evidence of previously unknown misbehavior.
As an aside, the NFL is now being attacked for its claim that it never saw this video before because the people who want to excuse their own lack of principle are demanding perfection in hindsight.
● The Politicians: Ug. Obama, naturally, had to open his mouth to condemn Rice. This is a man who doesn’t do the things his job requires, yet he can’t seem to stop himself from delving into tabloid issues. Pathetic. Biden spent Tuesday trying to tie this to date rape and the Violence Against Women Act. Talk about exploitive. Why exploitive? Because neither Obama nor Biden said squat until the second video surfaced and this became a public topic. Essentially, they are bandwagoning a lynching.
On the other side, Ben Carson stupidly cautioned us not to “demonize” Ray Rice. Why would he say this? Even if he was right, and I don’t think he is, why open your mouth and imply that conservatives think wife-beaters deserve sympathy? This just plays into the idea that the GOP doesn’t like women, and worst of all, there was zero reason for any conservative to get involved in this.
● On Rice Himself: Finally, let me say that it’s pathetic that Rice struck his fiancée and even worse that he punched her. No man should ever do that and he should be beyond ashamed.
Thoughts?
Here is the background: Ray Rice was a popular player for the Baltimore Ravens. He’s a running back. Several months back, Rice found himself in serious trouble when a video surfaced of him dragging his unconscious fiancée (now wife) out of an elevator in an Atlantic City casino. He had knocked her unconscious during an argument.
A New Jersey prosecutor examined the case and let Rice enter a pre-trial diversionary program. Those programs require counseling and erase the crime provided the suspect stays out of trouble for some period of time. This is a very common approach to a first offense.
At the same time, the NFL examined the case and Commissioner Roger Goodell decided to suspend Rice for two games as punishment for domestic violence. The end, right? No. Before the ink was even dry on the suspension, people began to ask how a guy who knocked his fiancée unconscious could get only a two game suspension when players who commit lesser crimes (like using pot) can get as much as a lifetime ban. This did not sit well with many people. However, way more people supported Rice than wanted to see him punished further, as evidenced by massive amounts of player and sportswriter support and by the fans in Baltimore cheering him loudly during preseason.
Despite the support for Rice, the NFL realized it had made a serious PR mistake. To cover its rear end, the NFL created a new policy for domestic violence which includes an automatic six game suspension with the possibility of more. In issuing that policy, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell wrote a letter to the owners (for media consumption) in which he actually “admits” that he got the Rice suspension wrong, he apologizes to them for that mistake, and he announced he was issuing a new policy to give him greater powers to deal with these issues in the future. He couldn’t change Rice’s punishment, however, because of due process rights Rice has under their collective bargaining agreement.
As an aside, even while admitting this mistake, the NFL simultaneously tried to justify its initial two-game suspension by stating that Rice’s now-wife supported him and specifically asked that he not be punished. This is a position she continues to take today.
Monday, a new video surfaced showing Rice knocking out his fiancée in the elevator. The actual punch is missing because of the frame rate of the video, but it’s clear he rings her bell and she collapses.
The response was immediate... and wrong.
● The Public: When this issue first arose, the public actually supported Rice. They cheered him and they opposed further punishment. The twitterverse and news shows were full of players, writers and fans saying that Rice had been punished enough, that the NFL should not punish him when his fiancée supported him, and that this was between them.
Personally, I think that’s faulty reasoning. One thing we know about domestic violence is that victims typically refuse to seek punishment out of fear or a misplaced sense of loyalty. Moreover, if something is a crime, then the system should punish it, whether the victim wants the crime punished or not. Anyway, that’s not what bothered me.
What bothered me is when the second video came out. Suddenly, every single one of these idiots who excused Rice before started calling for his head. But what is the justification? It’s not like the video tells us anything new. We knew he punched her. All the video does is add a visceral feel to it. And that is the troubling aspect of this change of heart: criminal decisions should be made on the basis of facts, not visceral response. Indeed, it is bad for society if we judge guilt or innocence on the basis of how viscerally we respond to evidence.
Moreover, if we are to accept the logic that we should not punish Rice because his fiancée has absolved him of guilt, as these people originally accepted, then how does having a video of the punch suddenly change that? What exactly changes just because we can now see the punch that makes us decide to suddenly disregard her views? It strikes me that both positions are emotional conclusions looking for justifications.
Even worse, these hypocrites are now attacking the NFL for botching this situation from the get go. Basically, they blame the NFL for letting this situation get to this point, when the reality is that they happily went along with the decision. This is nothing more than an attempt to shift the blame for their own lack of principle onto the NFL, and that is pathetic.
● The NFL: The NFL responded to the new video by suspending Rice indefinitely. The Ravens cut him. I don’t condone Rice by any means, but this too strikes me as wrong. The NFL had all the evidence it needed to reach this decision when it first made its decision to suspend him two games. They gave him a two game suspension. To go back and add to that punishment because of a public backlash is wrong. Is the NFL policy an attempt to dole out justice or to garner public approval? If they are reacting to the public then it’s the latter, and if that’s the case, then it’s a crock.
Moreover, Americans are firm believers in the idea of double jeopardy, even in a non-legal context, and for the NFL to add to a punishment without new evidence of something not previously known violates our sense of fair play, and it certainly makes a mockery of the idea of due process if that process can be disregarded without evidence of previously unknown misbehavior.
As an aside, the NFL is now being attacked for its claim that it never saw this video before because the people who want to excuse their own lack of principle are demanding perfection in hindsight.
● The Politicians: Ug. Obama, naturally, had to open his mouth to condemn Rice. This is a man who doesn’t do the things his job requires, yet he can’t seem to stop himself from delving into tabloid issues. Pathetic. Biden spent Tuesday trying to tie this to date rape and the Violence Against Women Act. Talk about exploitive. Why exploitive? Because neither Obama nor Biden said squat until the second video surfaced and this became a public topic. Essentially, they are bandwagoning a lynching.
On the other side, Ben Carson stupidly cautioned us not to “demonize” Ray Rice. Why would he say this? Even if he was right, and I don’t think he is, why open your mouth and imply that conservatives think wife-beaters deserve sympathy? This just plays into the idea that the GOP doesn’t like women, and worst of all, there was zero reason for any conservative to get involved in this.
● On Rice Himself: Finally, let me say that it’s pathetic that Rice struck his fiancée and even worse that he punched her. No man should ever do that and he should be beyond ashamed.
Thoughts?
19 comments:
BTW, late tonight, several NFL writers finally realized that the NFL is punishing Rice based on evidence the NFL already had when it made its initial decision. They seem to have suddenly discovered that Rice has rights under the collective bargaining agreement. Look for this to get messy... groupthink is a terrible thing when it runs into a contradiction.
Honestly, my first thought when I heard this was "Who the heck is Ray Rice?"
I don't think I actually knew about this story until the 2nd video surfaced.
Anyway, Rice is a jackass. The NFL made a mistake in the original punishment but due process is one of the most basic and most important foundations of rule of law.
In short, you are right.
Thanks Kit! That's how I see it... there is a serious lack of principle all around on this issue and the result is a mess as everyone lurches their way through it.
And now the opportunists are trying to latch onto this to sell their causes. Basically, feminists and Democrats exploit things like this just like anti-gun types exploit mass shootings.
Ray Rice gets a lifetime ban from the NFL but Ray Lewis (a former Raven) gets nothing for obstructing justice (covering up 2 murders) plus, Lewis got a cushy ESPN NFL commentary job after he retired.
One might conclude that Lewis was not punished by the NFL because there was no video.
I concur, Andrew, that the NFL are more concerned about appearances in the Rice case, as is the Raven organization.
Both have acted cravenly in this case.
IMO Rice deserved more than an initial 2 game suspension but after imposing the penalty it was wrong of the NFL to go completely overboard based on emotions.
Goodell has proven to be a very bad commissioner.
If Rice decides to sue it seems like he has a very good case since the NFL punished him twice for the same crime and based on the same evidence.
*Shrugs* Maybe people fooled themselves into thinking that a sort of Solange-Jay Z attack had been going on before Rice lost it and clocked her.
Rice clearly threw the first punch on that one. Throwing a punch at all was stupid and evil, throwing the first punch was just unforgiveable idiocy.
Smart guys just walk away from situations like that. Better to take a few hits and laugh about it later (or even be laughed at) then strike back and find yourself in serious trouble.
I don't really see the double jeopardy thing everyone is talking about. The NFL is a private employer, not a court where the Bill of Rights comes into play. I'm hazy on what the agreement between the player's union and owners says, but if the player's union and owners deems Rice too radioactive to touch, isn't that pretty much it?
As far as I can determine Obama's press secretary just released a blanket condemnation of domestic violence in regards to a Fox News inquiry. Bog standard stuff. Biden went deep into weird territory, but that is pretty much where Biden lives. Carson's stance is more than a little surprising. Its nice (very Christian) to believe in redemption, but timing is everything.
Ben, Even more interesting than the Lewis comparison, there are two players who've been arrested for hitting their wives since the Rice issue arose. With all the hyperbole the NFL is using to describe this as the worst crime ever and to hand out what is effectively a lifetime ban, I'll be curious to see how the NFL responds to those players. This sounds like a tar baby to me.
As an aside, the NFL currently has about 200 guys in it who have been arrested for everything from suspected rape to punching pregnant women to beating up cab drivers to bar fights to vehicular homicide to you name it. If they ever do really crack down on criminals, the NFL could run out of players.
Anthony, What I find interesting is the massive over-reaction. This issue is suddenly everywhere with outraged condemnations aplenty from the same people who excused it before. And a lot of the people in the NFL itself are being so over the top on this that they are setting horrible precedents all around.
On double jeopardy, the NFL is a private employer, but Rice has rights under their collectively bargained contract, so I expect he will actually win if he appeals or takes it to court, even if they consider him radioactive.
In any event, while a normal private employer may not need to worry about things like double jeopardy, there is still the issue of public perception and being perceived as arbitrary tends to build you enemies. And the problem for the NFL will be the backlash to the backlash, which will come once the media moves on to whatever interests them next. Then the Rice people will start screaming that the NFL has acted outrageously toward him.
Biden in particular is looking to exploit this, but he's not alone. There are several Congress types and several politicians in New Jersey in particular who are now trying to score points on this. Typical.
I agree with everyone. But let me add my two cents because I cannot for the life of me imagine why a woman would marry someone who hit her in anger even one time. There is something seriously wrong with that.
Okay, yes, with all of the professional athletes who have lied/cheated/drugged themselves and others/beaten/raped/murdered (allegedly) who still get to play the sports for which they are known, we can only blame the media, the various commissions that run these sports and the exploitation by all. There is big money on both sides of the argument.
The irony of course is how the NFL and players treat players like Tim Tebow, professed squeaking clean virgins. They ripped him apart probably because he made them all look even worse by comparison.
Bev, I agree completely. I don't understand how she can stay with him, but I guess she doesn't see it that way.
Agreed about Tebow. It's amazing to me how much hate they had for him and how they mocked him for being a goodie-goodie and then they condone so much rottenness. It really shows a sickness if you ask me within the sports industry.
Rushes to judgment in the sports world? I wouldn't know about that.
EP, Penn State '92
Eric, Isn't that the truth! I saw that they are getting their scholarships back early. It's about time.
Just in case you don't know, Obama is speaking at us tonight to tell us that he is going to something in Iraq or not depending on whether he decides he can or not with or without Congress' approval which they have already said all he has to do is ask for the money. Personally, my ears will begin to bleed and I will most probably go blind if I listen, but don't let that stop you. I will read about it in the newspapers tomorrow morning with their ringing endorsements and huzzah's exclaiming his brilliance in the NY Times that was most probably written last week at the behest (and threats) of Valerie Jarrett and explained deftly and fully by Josh Earnest at the WH Press gaggle.
Oh, and Obama will show how unworried he is by playing a round of golf...watch for the putter that he will trip over in the Oval Office. Actually if he used a golf club as a prop would actually be entertaining. Whatever he says I am sure he will say it beautifully and we will all have to bow to his magnificence and realize that we are unworthy...
I am betting that he says something like "Republicans are more a threat than ISIS" or something to that effect.
Bev, No doubt!
In any event, I don't know what Obama said, but apparently it caused Bond Villain Richard Kiel (Jaws) to die. I don't think this was a coincidence.
Andrew, I just read about Richard Kiel. He is one of those actors that made a living and no one really knew his name. But, seriously, we can't blame this on Obama...maybe. Though I have to say, my head would have exploded if I were forced to listen to his speech. Don't tell that to the NSA, CIA or the IRS. Hmmm, instead of waterboarding they could use Obama speeches in an endless loop for a new torture method...what am I saying??
Bev, Ug, that would be much worse than being waterboarded... or even maple syrup boarded as the Canadian secret police (The Secret Mounties) do!
I liked Kiel a good idea. I'm not sure why, but something about him just came across as very goodnatured. I wish him the best. RIP.
Right from the start, I was stunned that the 2nd video made any difference - perhaps I'm naive. The first one alone left me aghast. When you see him handling the woman's body like she's a big sack of potatoes rather than the love of his life. He couldn't lift her into his arms and carry her to a couch? Have you seen the muscles on that guy? No, instead he's dragging her and I think I see him pushing her body a little with his feet! I think he was mad at her for getting knocked out in the first place. Have to teach wifey how to duck and block.
The NFL is the NFL. They would have been in a better place if they had decided long ago - as a policy - that they only review on the field transgressions and leave off-field to criminal and civil courts. But they opened this can and now must eat the worms. Bon appetit!
The thing in this I do not understand at all is WHERE IS JANAY's FATHER? Some thug just beat your little girl unconcious - whatta you gonna do about it? And no one in the media seems to be asking about her parents. I know she's not a child, but we've met Foley's mom and parents of other abused adults.
If some guy threw a punch at my daughter ... boy, howdy ...
KRS, I agree. Touch either of my girls and you will regret it.
BTW, since the Ray Rice lynching, we've had three players arrested for domestic violence (none of whom has been suspended) and now Adrian Peterson has been indicted for child abuse.
NFL meet can of worms...
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