● Your rally was D.O.A. The absence of anyone who wasn't anti-gun before the school shooting should have tipped you off.
● Want more proof? Even allies like Yahoo were running articles about teenagers and black people who are pro-gun. When Yahoo admits there's another side to an issue, the issue is a loser.
● Most of the signs I saw at the rally and most of the rhetoric was meant to be offensive. That's bad optics. In a Democracy (something Hogg knows nothing about) you need to win over more than just your side. You don't do that by attacking people. In fact, all you managed was to make me happy that you will fail. Smug, lazy and full of sh*t is no way to go through life, kids.
● If you want gun control the first thing you need to prove to me is that guns are the problem. See, I know better. In your simplistic mind, the gun is the problem. The gun, like a 16 oz drink, a condom, or a truck full of fertilizer is not a problem until it gets misused. It is the person who misuses it who is the problem... which means controlling them is the answer.
● In fact, if it really was guns and not people, then explain to me (1) why there are 250 million guns in the US, but there are less than 12,000 shootings a year. Why aren't the other 249.999 million guns causing violence too?, (2) why doesn't Switzerland have the same problem despite private ownership (hint: Swiss culture is less violent than ghetto culture), (3) Why does your side swear that a cigarette on screen can cause kids to smoke, but hours and hours of gun violence on film is harmless?, and (4) Why do you need to lie to make your case?
● If you want to take away one of my "hobbies," then which of your hobbies do I get to take away?
● David Hogg, who has been milking this shooting like a prize cow in a famine, really made an ass of himself. He spent the weekend whining that he's so "tired" after struggling so hard (for one whole month boo hoo hoo) to change the world without results. Then he called his parents' generation "assholes," said they "don't know how to use a fucking democracy," and he promised a revolution. Yawn. This was after calling for everyone to use "white privilege" to stop blacks from being shot. I wonder if he know that 93% of blacks shot are shot by other blacks... not whites (Politifact). Are you saying I should use my white power to control black people?
● Hoggs' little bald lesbian buddy claimed that the number one threat to teenagers is gun violence, only gun violence is actually in the 40's, after things like diarrhea, flu, falls, car accidents, and various illnesses. "We will not rest until that asshole generation does something about diarrhea! But do it within a month or I'll get bored."
● If you want to win people over, stop inviting celebrities. If I was on fire and George Clooney told me to put myself out, I would seriously need to overcome my dislike for him to do it. No one likes these smug hypocrites.
● The minute Stormy Daniels hits, your allies in the media will abandon you. You will become yesterday's news. As an aside, I believe Stormy Daniels... and I don't care.
● I can't wait to see next year's reunion march, when it's finally starting to sink in to these kids that they aren't getting anything they want.
● Have any of you geniuses ever asked what would happen if you did ban guns? Do you think these shooters would go away or do you think they would find other ways to do this... more destructive ways. Maybe letting them shoot a maximum of 20 people is better than forcing them to become creative and taking down a building?
● Why are you so opposed to trying other measures as well? Are you afraid they might work?
● Your threats to vote gun supporters out of Congress would be more effective if any of you lived in a district not already represented by a progressive Democrat.
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One of the more amusing developments in this saga: When Parkland students come back from spring break, they'll be required to carry clear backpacks. One displeased student lamented, “I’m not happy with it. Why are you punishing me for one person's actions?”
In less amusing news, apparently a number of MSDHS students with incorrect opinions have been kept from appearing at events like the march over the weekend. To that end, where are the families? Normally that’s who receives wall-to-wall coverage after a school shooting.
tryanmax, You see both things from the left all the time. First, hypocrisy is a common, dominant trait on the left. DO AS I SAY... NOT AS I DO! They usually write this off to the idea that what they do is right and good and what you do is bad, hence there's no hypocrisy. What a load!
And stifling other views is the left's bread and butter. Only their views are pure of heart, so everyone else needs to be stopped.
1) Rallies are highly visible, but they generally don't change anything. Its the work (often lasting decades) before and after the rallies that is really important.
The attention brought by a rally could move the needle on a previously obscure issue but guns are a high profile issue and have been for decades, so most people have made up their minds. Shootings and rallies don't make much of an impact.
2) I don't see this public antipathy towards celebs you mention. Hollywood dominates the opposition, but our President is a reality tv star who is trying to pack his cabinet (and his army of lawyers) with people he sees on Fox. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
3) Trump has been a high profile playboy for decades. Like Bill Clinton, he could bang a hooker on national tv and not dent his support.
As happened with Clinton, highlighting Trump's affairs is more likely to trigger a rally round the flag effect than anything. Also like with Clinton, the public tolerance for bad conduct doesn't seem to extend to his contemporaries.
As for the Hollywood celebs jumping on the anti-gun bandwagon, perhaps all of those anti-gun celebs/actors/directors/producers should take an inventory of fire arms in their own studio props departments and then spend the week counting the scenes with fire arms produced on a daily basis by their industry.
As for the Stormy Daniels affair, it appears it hasn't had the earth-shattering impact it was meant to...social media has gone dark on the subject.
Anthony, "Hollywood" and "Reality TV" are not interchangeable terms. The terms entered the lexicon at different times and they can coexist because they describe different things. (Of course, I mean this in relation to both terms' usage apart from the actual industries that coined the terms.)
Yes, Hollywood and Reality TV have more in common than not, in the same way that chimp and human DNA have more in common than not. A thesis could be written on just what distinctions people indicate when choosing one term over the other. If I were to take a quick stab at it, I'd say "Hollywood" suggests fantasy, aspiration, and idealism, whereas "Reality TV" suggests cynicism, taboo, and artifice. Both are pejoratives.
Anthony, decades!!! No way, man. I worked like a slave going on television for like a month. If that can't change the world, then the world is stupid and I don't care...
Bev, Hollywood is probably really to blame for a good chunk of gun violence because they make it cool and they make it a legitimate solution to problems.
The little I've seen of what Stormy said sounded paranoid and untrustworthy... imagine an untrustworthy porn star. But even beyond that, I just don't think people care. I think the public sees affairs as marriage issues, not job issues. And so much mud has already been thrown at Trump -- some true most not -- that I don't think anyone cares about mud anymore.
tryanmax and Anthony, In a battle in which unlikable celebs are fighting an unlikable politician, the politician wins because the public will ignore both sides because they don't like either.
And when the highest profile celebs of the weekend are George Clooney (who no longer draws an audience), Amy Schumer (who keeps stepping in it) and Jim Carrey (who is in the news for being a piece of sh*t), you have a problem. Trump actually looks good next to these people.
Hey, Trump just expelled 60 Russian diplomats over the UK chemical poisoning.
I love David Hogg. He is the quintessential spoiled child writ large. Watch him some time. His emotions range between condescending snottiness (we must use our white privilege...) to anger. The pinched face, the repeated profanity( assholes, fucking, bitches of the NRA) and the fact that the country hasn't changed after he's stomped his foot for a month frustrates him no end. He's a hoot to watch. And the fact that he's made himself the spokesman for his movement has damaged the cause he wants to push. When people think of the anti-gun movement they think of his pinched up little face.
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Bev, I saw that. I think that's a solid decision. I wonder how the left will twist it?
GypsyTyger, I couldn't agree more. He's become nasty and angry and that is not a good look for a movement that the MSM is trying to sell as "look at the cute children."
The Stormy Daniels interview apparently generated about 24 million viewers. I would dispute that because those numbers come from big cities which is where liberals live, but either way... That sounds like a lot, but it's really just 7.5% of the public. It's about half of what an NFL playoff game generates.
So while it clearly attracted our political class, it doesn't seem to have reached the public.
The numbers from Stormy's night. One must take it with a grain of salt. The numbers were probably inflated because of the basketball viewer traffic. The interview was delayed by 15 mins or so because the Duke/Kansas game wentinto to overtime...probably many may have just passed out from excitement/despair bc of the 81/85 final score and not changed the channel.
Bev, That's true. Plus, the ratings come from the top 56 markets. That means the ratings are skewed toward places like New York, Los Angeles, Washington, Boston, Miami, etc. What do these places all have in common? Disproportionately liberal. Conservatives live in more rural and suburban areas. In fact, you're probably looking at a 2-1 liberal ratio instead of 1-1.
Either way though, it's still a small fraction of the country. What's more, I'm seeing a lot of doubt today (even among some anti-Trumps like "Morning Joe") and a lot of news sites downplaying it.
Bev, I can't tell you how many times after a game, I'm sitting there rehashing plays with everyone, then after half an hour I look over at the TV and am like, "What the heck is this?" Networks have long fooled themselves into believing that whatever runs after the big game is actually being watched.
GypsyTyger, I agree, Hogg is pretty entertaining to watch. I predict a bright future for him in either Washington or the media.
As for the rallies, I think it will all just fade away like the women's rallies. The left has already shown they have no follow through. They just stir the pot and then walk away.
Stormy Daniels' big moment didn't make me think any less of Trump as a human being. It wasn't like he was a contender for most likable man on the planet to begin with. It made me think less of HER. She said sex with Trump was consensual. I know she's a porn star, but I would have thought even they had some standards. I stand corrected.
Stacy, LOL //start slow clap Well played!
I'm reminded of a lawyer joke... Did you know that scientists have started experimenting on lawyers rather than rats? Yep. It turns out that scientists get less attached to the lawyers, and there are some things even rats won't do.
tryanmax, That's always a good time to go to the bathroom, get a snack and flip through the channel guide.
Stacy, I agree, it's like they think he was Mitt Romney suddenly reveals to be a complete womanizing sexual predator! None of who/what Trump does surprises me in the least. The only part of the interview was a 5 sec clip on the radio this morning. She was asked if she was attracted to Trump at the time and pretty much screamed "Hell, NO!!". So basically, she has sex with multiple partners for lots of money. Trump paid her lots of money, so she had sex with him. Says "Business transaction" or as Trump would say "the Art of the Deal".
Oh, and she isn't doing any of this "for the money"...
Speak of the Devil; I went from here over to the American Thinker and Patricia McCarthy has an article called Media Hogg-tied by a child demagogue.Best line - Most parents of a certain age would be paralyzed with humiliation by a child such as this.
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Re. Hogg, looks like Kylo Ren has the perfect sidekick in Ep. IX. Ugh ...
That said, nice to see a band who won't be playing the next temper tantrum rally. Never been much of an Eagles of Death Metal fan outside of a few songs, but so cool seeing rockers not engaging in the usual groupthink.
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/jesse-hughes-march-of-our-lives-comment/
fine piece Andrew. all salient points with one teeny disagreement. There is no such thing ss a “progressive” Democrat. When the term “liberal” ess in such bad oder, sime wordsmith came up with progressive to give a fresh “lean foward” sheen. I refuse to use the term and like to call them the Democrat Party because it pisses them off
The activist shooting survivors remind me a bit of Joe the Plumber and that girl who spoke before an empty Congressional chamber. Brief media sensations that will go away quickly if their enemies don't get stupid. No point getting worked up about them.
https://www.mediaite.com/online/redstate-issues-insane-correction-to-article-implying-david-hogg-wasnt-at-school-during-shooting/
That shaved-head Gonzales girl is going to vanish. So are all the others whose names aren't even well-known. But that Hogg kid is an opportunist who will probably parlay his classmates' deaths into a cable TV show, or at the very least, a recurring character in the right-hand box on talk shows. That is, if his bad case of foot-in-mouth doesn't catch up to him first. I can tell he thinks he has the intersectional script memorized, but he doesn't.
Here's something interesting. Hogg just got rejected by UCLA, UCSD, UCSB and UC Irvine. He has a 4.2 GPA and a 1270 SAT. Given his fame with a massive liberal cause, you would think he'd be a shoe-in. So what happened? Too white? Too rich? Too smug on his essay?
tryanmax, Agreed about all but Hogg. I would have agreed about Hogg a week or two ago, but I think his star is falling and I'm no longer sure he can parlay this into anything. He's given some dumb interviews. He's increasingly angry. He is slowly making himself an embarrassment and I see the left looking for someone else to replace him. I would watch the 11 year old black girl they were all fawning over this weekend.
Anthony, I agree.
By the way, the reason we know about Hogg being turned down it that Hogg announced it. Then he said that he isn't upset because he figures he just got lot in the thousands of kids who applied.
Now ask yourself why he would announce this?
Oh yeah, because he wants them to realize that he's a celebrity and reconsider. Basically, our socialist friend who doesn't mind being lost like so many others is learning to use his status for personal gain. He truly is a good socialist now.
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