Governor Perry's not the most popular guy around here (though that's his own fault), but in fairness, liberals really don't like him either. And they have much dumber reasons for not liking him. Observe.
A little backstory. Here in Missouri, our special legislative session is about to kick into gear, in which the lawmakers vote whether or not to override bills vetoed by the governor. There's several this year; you may have heard of a gun bill that would nullify all federal gun control laws, which won't go anywhere but I wouldn't mind seeing it passed, just to annoy our genius overlords. But I digress. Around these parts, the main thing being discussed is one House Bill 253, which would cut our state income tax from 6 to 5.5%, and the corporate income tax from 6.25 to 3.25%. Whether or not it'll pass, I don't know. Governor Jay Nixon (D) vetoed it, the Republicans have just about a supermajority in both chambers, but a lot of them are coming under pressure from school districts, which are afraid of losing funding if it passes and state revenue goes down. So pass or fail, it'll be close.
What does all this have to do with Rick Perry? Well, given the doubtful situation for the bill and the businesses in whose name the bill is being pushed, Perry decided to make some hay. For the past couple weeks, he's been running ads in Missouri, saying basically, "Hey, Missouri businessmen. Just to let you know, Texas doesn't have any state income tax. Also, it's f@#$ing Texas. So if this whole tax-cut bill doesn't work out for you, we're a pretty welcoming people down here. Just saying." Again, I paraphrase. And he's made a couple appearances in the state, and has the backing of the MO Chamber of Commerce, which I take it is looking to put pressure on the legislators rather than actually suggest businesses leave the state.
This has not pleased certain liberal organizations in the state, notably the news outlets. I speak in particular of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch (known to some as the "St. Louis Post-DisTrash"), which put on its Indignant Face in the editorial page earlier this week. First paragraph:
And I'm guessing someone really wanted to work in "starving children" in that lead sentence, but then they thought it would be too on-the-nose.
But can they do ad hominem attacks? Yes, they can:
Don't worry, though; the paper does put forward some actual, you know, facts. Like the fact that Missouri's corporate tax rate is actually much lower than Texas; and that its overall tax burden is slightly less than the Lone Star State's. From this, the editorial concludes, ours is "a low-tax, low-service state. Missouri's problem isn't that it taxes too much, it's that....we don't invest nearly enough in schools, in transit, in our future." So the "argument," for lack of a better word, is this: Missouri's taxes are very low, so there's no reason for businesses to leave for Texas, and really they should be higher to give us more services and make the tax burden worse than in Texas. Ummmm.....okay.
And just to let Perry know he's not wanted here, the Post-Dispatch adds: "Missourians don't unite behind many things these days, but we don't take too kindly to strangers not respecting our borders."
Unless they come from Washington, of course.
I assume that in this case the paper thinks it's speaking for all Missourians, including the rich ones who want tax cuts for themselves while they heartlessly starve state government. And probably children.
Do I have a point here? Not really. All things considered, the effects from the bill will be a wash either way, I'm guessing. And I'd rather not see our businesses leave the state for Texas, though I don't begrudge Perry trying to lure them away. But I do find it interesting/amusing, how liberals such as the Post-Dispatch's editors keep pushing their ruinous policies, and then when people try to escape those policies and their consequences, denounce them as traitors to the sacred Fatherland. Maybe that's what Ned Flanders meant when he said "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."*
*There's a chance I have Ned Flanders confused with someone else.
A little backstory. Here in Missouri, our special legislative session is about to kick into gear, in which the lawmakers vote whether or not to override bills vetoed by the governor. There's several this year; you may have heard of a gun bill that would nullify all federal gun control laws, which won't go anywhere but I wouldn't mind seeing it passed, just to annoy our genius overlords. But I digress. Around these parts, the main thing being discussed is one House Bill 253, which would cut our state income tax from 6 to 5.5%, and the corporate income tax from 6.25 to 3.25%. Whether or not it'll pass, I don't know. Governor Jay Nixon (D) vetoed it, the Republicans have just about a supermajority in both chambers, but a lot of them are coming under pressure from school districts, which are afraid of losing funding if it passes and state revenue goes down. So pass or fail, it'll be close.
What does all this have to do with Rick Perry? Well, given the doubtful situation for the bill and the businesses in whose name the bill is being pushed, Perry decided to make some hay. For the past couple weeks, he's been running ads in Missouri, saying basically, "Hey, Missouri businessmen. Just to let you know, Texas doesn't have any state income tax. Also, it's f@#$ing Texas. So if this whole tax-cut bill doesn't work out for you, we're a pretty welcoming people down here. Just saying." Again, I paraphrase. And he's made a couple appearances in the state, and has the backing of the MO Chamber of Commerce, which I take it is looking to put pressure on the legislators rather than actually suggest businesses leave the state.
This has not pleased certain liberal organizations in the state, notably the news outlets. I speak in particular of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch (known to some as the "St. Louis Post-DisTrash"), which put on its Indignant Face in the editorial page earlier this week. First paragraph:
A couple of weeks before Gov. Jay Nixon vetoed House Bill 253, the dangerous bill that would give wealthy Missourians a tax cut while starving education and other important state services....You know they're upset when they don't even wait a few lines of text before the appeals to emotion.
And I'm guessing someone really wanted to work in "starving children" in that lead sentence, but then they thought it would be too on-the-nose.
But can they do ad hominem attacks? Yes, they can:
Mr. Perry likes to brag about his state's lack of an income tax. Never mind that he had nothing to do with it, and that the state's wealth of oil and gas reserves make such a tax unnecessary.Er, I'm pretty sure his not having anything to do with it is irrelevant. I'm also pretty sure Perry never took all the credit for it. Whatever his faults, he doesn't claim to be responsible for all that is right with the world. I mean, he's not Al Gore.
Don't worry, though; the paper does put forward some actual, you know, facts. Like the fact that Missouri's corporate tax rate is actually much lower than Texas; and that its overall tax burden is slightly less than the Lone Star State's. From this, the editorial concludes, ours is "a low-tax, low-service state. Missouri's problem isn't that it taxes too much, it's that....we don't invest nearly enough in schools, in transit, in our future." So the "argument," for lack of a better word, is this: Missouri's taxes are very low, so there's no reason for businesses to leave for Texas, and really they should be higher to give us more services and make the tax burden worse than in Texas. Ummmm.....okay.
And just to let Perry know he's not wanted here, the Post-Dispatch adds: "Missourians don't unite behind many things these days, but we don't take too kindly to strangers not respecting our borders."
Unless they come from Washington, of course.
I assume that in this case the paper thinks it's speaking for all Missourians, including the rich ones who want tax cuts for themselves while they heartlessly starve state government. And probably children.
Do I have a point here? Not really. All things considered, the effects from the bill will be a wash either way, I'm guessing. And I'd rather not see our businesses leave the state for Texas, though I don't begrudge Perry trying to lure them away. But I do find it interesting/amusing, how liberals such as the Post-Dispatch's editors keep pushing their ruinous policies, and then when people try to escape those policies and their consequences, denounce them as traitors to the sacred Fatherland. Maybe that's what Ned Flanders meant when he said "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."*
*There's a chance I have Ned Flanders confused with someone else.
44 comments:
Thanks for the report, T-Rav.
It is funny to see the proregressive papers all in an uproar because Missouri was invaded by Rick Perry.
It's even funnier that they advocate higher taxes, showing once again how out of touch they are and inadvertantly helping Perry make his case to business owners. :^)
I'm saddened that you were only paraphrasing. LOL!
A little history lesson for our liberal friends... those oil and gas things that the liberals think make it unnecessary for Texas to have an income tax were the same thing that had Texas on the edge of poverty when oil prices collapsed in the 1980s. Texas was an economic wasteland and they pulled out by diversifying their economy... not by drilling for more oil. So don't believe that crap.
As a further aside, there is a bit of a lie surrounding Texas having "no income tax." Texas has an extremely aggressive franchise tax on businesses which tries to reach into economic activity in other states. So businesses should be aware of that. I've had clients who ran into that and found themselves massively blindsided.
As for Perry, he has three political liabilities that will hurt him. First, the boy dun stupid. Secondly, he took an aggressively pro-illegal immigrant stance that will act as a perma-stain with the fringe. Third, he has a mini-me that the fringe likes better: Ted Cruz. They will split the vote.
Also, I do respect the borders of Missouri, at least coming from the East, because the speed limits rise. :D
I am highly amused with Perry's travels. He's got all the other governors seething (and p.o.'ed)!that they didn't do it first. His braggadocio is Texan AND he's got something to sell - lots and lots of open land and lots of willing investors and competing mayors.
Perry was in NY/Northeast a few months ago. I mean, even though NY is the least business friendly state in the union, Cuomo issued a statement that basically said "Nuh-uh, you big Texas meanie, we are TOO low taxing AND business friendly! Would we have a billion dollar deficit if our taxes were high?"
Andrew, and that diversification was due to...GWB.
T-Rav.....Why exactly would anyone want to move their business to MO? I mean, other than For Lost in the Woods, what else does it have to offer? The arch? Been there done that bought the model. Kansas City? Isn't that IN Kansas? The new (empty) Springfield international airport? (No, stop, I can't take it).
Heck, they don't even have an old, broken down wall as one of their top tourist attractions (Alamo).
So, as much as everyone here loves to bash Texas and Perry (Bev is absolutely correct...he's a TEXAN) the rest of the country has to understand that Texans believe they are a separate breed of 'Muricans and could give a horse's ass what the rest of the country thinks of them.
I love the way he's going around giving other states a business wedgie by letting business know that "Hey, Texas loves you and your business. Come on down heya, we appreciate what you bring...not like that repressive, panty waisted girlie state that is trying to destroy your bizness!"
Rick and Ted's Excellent Adventure. Now playing at a state near you.
Ben, "invaded by Rick Perry" makes me giggle for some reason. :-)
In fairness to our liberal friends, their answer to everything is to raise taxes. It's not just that they're tone-deaf about business.
Andrew, I wish that was what he really said, but I think the FCC would have been after him then. So no.
I'm not intimately familiar with Texas tax law, so I really couldn't comment on what you're saying there. The ads circulating now, though, lead me to believe Perry doesn't really believe many businesses will pack up and leave; it's more of a bluff to get lawmakers to avoid the possibility. Same reason our Chamber of Commerce is backing him.
Hard to say if it will have much effect, but with the legislation kind of on a knife-edge here, it very well might. The Post-Dispatch editorial sarcastically congratulated Perry on helping to kill the bill (because Missourians don't take kindly to foreigners and whatever), but that's just whistling in the dark.
Andrew, also, while our highways aren't great, they're freaking wonders compared to what's to our east. I visited friends in Illinois last weekend, and Oh My Gosh. Roads are not supposed to suddenly change in elevation like that. :P
"an old...broken...down...wall...(Alamo)"???????
{{{blinks...everything going red...getting dizzy...spit...sputter...snort...spit}}}
Um, Dear Mr. Patriot, I don't know exactly how to say this nicely, so I will just come right out with it...YOU, SIR, ARE A ROGUE AND A SCALLIWAG! HOW DARE YOU...{{{mutter, mutter...cool down. He doesn't understand}}}...ooooh, How...very...dare...you.
Now I have not verified this, but my mother told me that California tried to get a bill through their legislature that would tax businesses for leaving the state and moving to Texas. It would not surprise me.
This is an example of the typical mind-set of the liberal (in the modern use not the classical). They don't like competition and don't understand it. Hybrid and electric cars can't compete? Give 'em a tax break. Solar not efficient enough? Tax break. It would be fine (sort of) if they tied said tax breaks to American made products but they don't get that either. For a supposedly union friendly group they sure know how to stimulate chinese jobs.
Patriot, what the heck? It wasn't enough for you to completely run down my home, you had to take a shot at Texas' Alamo, too? Are you just trying to alienate everyone today?
Feel smug while you can. Because if Bev and I decide to sic a kitten army and black helicopters on you, you're going to have a really bad day.
Bev, wow. New Yorkers don't think they tax enough? That's a special breed of stupid, right there.
Actually, Perry's not the only gov who's been visiting us. Kansas' governor has made some stops as well, and it wouldn't surprise me if a couple others have as well. Except Illinois. They might want more businesses, but they don't have the money to spend on advertising for it. Plus, it's Illinois.
Well, I guess good luck to California with that bill. I mean, if it appears likely to become law, it'll probably just cause a sudden exodus of businesses before it kicks in; but sure, that'll stop all the rest. Maybe.
So T-RAV let me get this straight. According to liberal editors in Missouri:
It is OK to not respect the southern border of Texas but don't you dare take liberties with the southern border of Missouri.....
What's up with that liberal editors in Missouri, what ya trying to show us!
Kosh, that's because liberals only conceive of the economy in terms of morality, of who's a good guy and who's a bad guy. They've heard of market forces, but they don't really like them or understand them. And then they throw a fit at the consequences, because the economy isn't doing what they think it should. That's all they ever do.
Indi, that's pretty much the size of it. I mean, I assume they think it's okay for illegal immigrants to disrespect our border as well. Maybe it's just the people who are powerful and mean to others and stuff who shouldn't be allowed to interfere, or something.
T-Rav, Texas has gotten some Colorado companies lately, but that's been because Colorado is busy driving them out.
The further East you go,the worse the roads become and the lower to speed limits become.
T-Rav - It was actually Gov. Cuomo who said that the taxes for businesses were low. I think there was a collective double-take/eyebrow-raising with that statement all over the state.
One more thing to add to the greatness of Texas (Yes, Patriot, you better not say anything more...two words "black" and "helicopters")
The roads in Texas are excellent and the further west you go (starting in Dallas) the higher the speed limit. I mean, really, in West Texas there is actually nothing one could run into for hundreds of miles at a stretch.
Bev, Speed limits in Colorado are high too, but we have the problem of minivans sitting in the left lane... should be legal to run them off the road.
As on off-topic aside, with Obama needing to go it alone on Syria, how long do you think it will be before the Dems start screaming racism? Why else wouldn't they go with the Messiah?
Well of course. Whether or not we get involved in Syria is all about race, isn't it? I can't even think of another issue at play. :-P
Obama won't get into it with England over an issue the American public sides with England on. He's make do with the participation of France, Turkey and the Arab League. He won't do much though. I suspect we're just doing to reduce Assad's payroll a bit.
The biggest impact will probably be in American politics, and I doubt it will make much of a difference there provided A) Obama doesn't let us get sucked in and B) some Syrian catspaw doesn't spill a bunch of American blood by hitting some soft target abroad (there are lots of them).
I think this will encourage Republicans in 2014 to take Rand Paul's line on foreign entanglements and will strengthen Rand Paul at least a bit in 2016. Also, I think Clinton is very glad that she is out of office.
Personally, Andrew and Bev, I'm not a big fan of driving 75/80 mph. But then, all my family complains that I drive too slow, so maybe it's just me.
Incidentally, I think that the farther east you go, not only are the roads worse and the speed limits lower, the cops are more crooked. Illinois is notorious for setting impossible speed traps and that sort of thing.
Andrew, I'm sure Chris Matthews has already gotten the word on when to begin the race-baiting and slobbered his agreement. :P
Incidentally, Hot Air has up right now a hilarious post comparing what John Kerry is saying now about Syria--"The U.N. has failed to act, so we'll do it ourselves"--to what he was saying about Iraq in his '03-'04 presidential bid. It's amazing how quick some people can change their minds when it becomes politically convenient to do so.
Anthony, I don't think Obama will make a complaint about it, but he has a legion of people who will... like Pelosi... especially if things do go poorly. And poorly in this case can mean an easy bombing campaign followed by a terrorist attack somewhere.
On the Republicans, I think Paul's stance is the public stance, but don't forget that the party sees itself as superhawks, so they won't change anything. In fact, the usual suspects are already pounding their flabby chests and proclaiming that if only they were in charge, they would fly over there personally and take out the whole army with their bare hands.
T-Rav, I HATE Illinois and Ohio. Indiana is ok. Ohio has one cop for every five miles of highway I'm pretty sure.
My natural speed on the highway, where I'm most comfortable is 85. But to get above 65 in this state, where the limit is 75, you need a mini-van plow on the front of your car.
Tryanmax,
Very true. Power and party change a lot for a lot of people.
Cindy Sheehan is still an anti-war campaigner, but she is no longer a media darling because she now opposes the favorite party of the mainstream media (and the many grieving mothers that came into being under Obama only get coverage in conservative circles).
Bev....I have nothing against"The Edifice" er......."The Alamo" I'd just rather see a Disney holographic depiction of what the dang thing looked like when it was defended by "The B-Team" TM (Andrew). And really, the MEXICAN Army?! WTF!? Did they stop and siesta at 2pm every day?
And bring the black helicopters on......They are for transport purposes anyway!!
T-Rav.....Nothing against "The Show Me State." (What do they want people to show them anyway?) Home of the James Bro's if I'm correct?
I mean, I absolutely LOVE Branson.......(After 3 6-packs, a pack of Marlboro's and cleaning the mud off my truck tires!! :-)
Having spent some time in FLW, I can tell you the highlight of my time there was dressing up and hitting the All You Can Eat Steakhouse in Rolla!!
Bring the dang kittens on! I've got a heaping ball of 12 pound furry Lab kick-a@% just waiting to see what THEY taste like!
Andrew....Our POTUS "Putz of the United States" TM, will dither and blather and b.s. until another squirrel is tossed by the MSM.
Consult Congress?! Bwahahaha.... (The Royal) We don't need no stinking Congress. We've got Nobel frikkin Peace Prize beeyotch.
Nice to know we'll have the French on our side though. Vive La France!! Those "Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys" will provide immeasurable support I'm sure (In the form of bon mots, witty ripostes and stinky cheese for our troops).
Even Jimmah Carter made a statement that if Obama strikes Syria without expressed approval from the UN it will be illegal.
"...At Syria's invitation, a U.N. investigation is already underway and will soon make its report. A punitive military response without a U.N. Security Council mandate or broad support from NATO and the Arab League would be illegal under international law and unlikely to alter the course of the war..."
Bev, No offense to Jimmy, but Jimmy's a retarded POS.
That said, I think it's funny that Obama's friends are all abandoning him. I wish our side would shut up and let him twist in the wind.
Patriot (if that's really your name!) - You are threading on dangerously thin ice...Sam Houston is a national hero. And by "national", I mean The Republic of Texas.
And those black helicopters MIGHT just "transport you" right to the middle of the Gulf of Mexico and drop you in. Or maybe they'll just take you to the nearest 7-Eleven and force you to drink a Cherry Slurpy really, really fast and get brain freeze! Or maybe they won't even show up...
Bev.....I use "Patriot" because my real name, Aesculapius, was mis-pronounced as "Bud" when I was visiting Texas a few years back!
I actually like what was attributed to Ole Sam Houston: "Texas can make it without the United States, but the United States can't make it without Texas!"
Oh, so the "threat" of Slurpee-induced brain freeze and you change your tune pretty fast! LOL!
That Houston quote is so true and the attitude of pretty much all Texans...
Patriot, somehow I suspect you're not being genuine in your praise of all things Missouri. I warn you, you'll never see my kitten army coming. They eat Labs for breakfast (literally).
Andrew, 85? Yeesh. Though I may feel that way because my first car was an '89 Buick with 100,000+ miles on it. Every time I pushed it above 65, it started shaking like it was going to blow up, so maybe I'm inured against that somehow.
But no, the only time I ever deliberately pushed a car over 75 was when I was trying to get to a wedding once. I ain't no lead foot.
Anthony, I honestly do feel for Cindy Sheehan. I wonder if she realizes how thoroughly she's been used (and then discarded) by the Left. I don't think she does.
Andrew
I have heard the rebels in Syria are backed by Qatar who has spent billions arming them. They want to overthrow Assad because they want to build a pipeline to Europe. Assad is backed by Russia because the Russians have an interest in seeing that no such pipeline is built because that would seriously hurt their profits from oil revenues.
Given this I think the opposition from Assad may have more oomph than Egypt whose military is funded by us or Libya because no one trusted Qaddafi (Louis Farrakhan excepted). The Syrians might have real firepower at their disposal. China is getting involved and they have been developing their own stealth technology. Stealth is our Big Stick. It is why we are undefeatable and rule the air. The minute someone develops radar capability of defeating this we will be in for a real surprise.
Given that we have reduced out armed forces and are suffering battle fatigue from two wars this might really go south on us if Russia decides that Syria cant fall. I just don't have a good feeling about this.
Also I find it a very convenient and happy circumstance for the rebels that Assad now is using chemical weapons. Chemical weapons are poor strategic weapons. They are too variable and more suited to a terror strike. I also think it is not that hard to pull the wool over Obama's eyes.
Indi, The rebels are backed by various people, including the Saudis, who fund all bad things. As for who has more oomph, I think it's the government.
As for getting troops involved, I don't think anyone is planning that actually. I think the plan is to drop a few bombs, a muffin basket, and then go home.
Andrew
Was that not the plan in Libya, Egypt, Iraq after GW1 with the no fly zones. Heck even Vietnam was supposed to remain as just advising the locals. These things have a habit of escalating on their own. The oomph I am talking about is a capability of the Russians or the Chinese unknown to us to shoot down our planes. A capability that might be shared with Assad since the Russians seem to value that state. We think we are invincible but so did Russia in the 1800's before Napoleon showed them the were vulnerable. We are not economically able to fund more of these wars. IT is time to lay low and rebuild if we can.
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