Wednesday, October 9, 2013

The American Dream Isn’t Dead

It is again fashionable to claim that America is finished. Every generation does this. In the 1930s, we couldn’t compete with the fascists and their snazzy uniforms. In the 1960s, we lacked the cohesiveness of Soviet society. In the 1970s, the Arabs owned us. In the 1980s, it was the Japanese. In the 1990s, it was the BRICs who would run the world... or that economic powerhouse the Eurozone (bum bum buuuuum!). In the 2000s, it’s been China. Boogey oogey oogey.

Never happened, never will.

How can I say that? Because America is different. Americans are exceptional. What makes us exceptional? Americans believe in the power of the individual to change the world. No one else believes that. And what that causes is millions of Americans to set about changing the world themselves.

Americans are constantly in motion compared to other people. Americans are problem solvers. They see something they think they can do better and they do it. The rest of the world waits for the authorities to fix the problem. We invent, we build, we rebuild, we tinker, we take risks. And in the end, we make the world better.

So what brings this up? Well, I ran across an interesting statistics the other day that I think highlights this perfectly. The statistic in question showed that 80% of American’s wealthiest business owners ($3 million or more) are self-made and 78% got their wealth through a business they created as compared to investment or salary. That is incredible if you think about it.

Indeed, contrary to the view of the left (or the goings on in feudal lands like Europe or Japan) that means that the people who get rich in America do so based on their own initiative rather than being handed money from a long dead relative. In other words, our rich are rich because they did something to make the world better. They are the direct result of what happens in America when you have a great idea and you take a risk to make that happen.

And how many millionaires are we talking about? Well, it’s actually harder to estimate than you would think, but people estimate that there are about 11 million millionaires worldwide with about 60% living in the US. The rest are spread out (in order) in Japan, Germany, China, Britain, France, Canada, etc.

The US has more millionaires per capita than other countries too. We have an estimated 0.6% of our population in that group, compared to 0.4% in Europe and around 0.1% everywhere else.

Add this to the fact that there are 24.7 million small businesses who create around 70% of all new jobs in the US, and what you get is a picture of the continuing vibrancy of the American spirit. In other words, Americans continue to write their own destinies... accidents of birth are not destiny in this country.

And it’s actually the younger people who are leading this.

Generation X and Y millionaires earned their money faster than older generations and they’ve proven to be more generous. According to Fidelity, which studied the issue, Gen X and Gen Y millionaires give around $54,000 a year to charity, whereas baby boomers donate only $12,000. 82% of Xers and Yers also volunteer or serve on boards of charities... only 49% of boomers do that. Again, these are people who don’t just hoard money, they put it to work to make things better. That’s a great sign for the future.

Look, our economy has some problems: overregulation, government interference, a tax scheme that hurts innovation and creates a disincentive to work or invest, a welfare system that creates a disincentive to work, and some crony issues that seem to rig certain parts of the economy to favor those with influence. But America is, was and always will be bigger than that. America remains a place where you can achieve the American dream if you’re willing to try to achieve it.

69 comments:

Patriot said...

Andrew.....I like your optimism. Something lacking these last few years as we've been scolded again and again by the left for our greed, racism and unwillingness to help those less fortunate. Exemplified by Obama's comments..."Sometimes you've made too much money." "...I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody."...etc....

I have long felt that we are seeing in Obama and his minions, the age old human traits of lack of character, revenge, lust for power over other men, disdain for 'the common man' and vindictiveness, to name just a few.

As you state, our exceptionalism is an exceptionalism to the age old tyrannical ambitions of venal men, and the conscious decision to invest in individual human exceptionalism, not in the exceptionalism of government or rule. It has always descended into corruption and ruin. Let's pray that our experiment in this country and it's exceptional people continues.

The Founders were pretty amazing thinkers weren't they?

tryanmax said...

To piggyback on Patriot's comment, despite his age, Obama is wholly a product of the Boomer generation. Andrew's post underscores that. He, like the boomers, has a diminished sense of individual charity, ingenuity, and responsibility. They look to government to address these deficiencies.

Anonymous said...

Remember, we admire millionaires who made their money through hard work, and NOT through the manipulation of other people's money. :-)

And I have no sympathy for people who think we're finished, whether it's now because of Obama or because of Bush XYZ years ago.

Individualist said...

Imagine how much better we would be if we could convince the people in Washington of the points you make in your article.

My International Business class said that the USA has two strategic trade advantages. One is Boeng. Building and designing planes is an extremely capital intensive endeavor making it extremely difficult for competitors to bre4ak into the market. So the fact that we invented the plane gave us an advantage in Market share.

The Second advantage is inventing things. New technologies tend to be invented in America. Eventually when they are no longer bleeding edge they tend to go off shore but by then we are inventing the next best thing. Our culture is geared to this. Even when the invention is made by foreigners it seems to be foreigners who came to America to invent it. Even the Boeng advantage is related to this. We invented the plane and held onto that because it is too expensive for those offshore to compete.

Andrew I think everything you say is true and will remain true as long as we retain that entrepreneurial spirit.

AndrewPrice said...

Patriot, Napoleon once derided the British as "a nation of shopkeepers." Well, we're that on steroids. In America, everyone has a plan, if not a business, and each of us sees ourselves as being in control of our own destinies. That is what makes us so strong. We are a people who understand the value of small, non-intrusive government and who don't wait for others to solve our problems. Not only does that make us innovative, but it makes us resilient. And that kind of spirit is hard to kill, especially as it gets ingrained in us everywhere in our lives.

Does that mean there aren't slackers? Of course not. But what it does man is that vast numbers of Americans are the people who run America... not a couple hundred a-holes in Washington.

I think that's something to keep in mind, to cherish, and to promote. We need to advocate policies that encourage people to keep doing things for themselves and that let people benefit from the risks they take.

Finally, keep in mind that when it comes to America, there are a ton of reasons to be optimistic.

AndrewPrice said...

tryanmax, That is sadly true. And I can actually show you a TON of statistics to back that up. In every category, the Boomers as a generation are outliers in a negative direction. Every other generation is clustered together in terms of values and behaviors, except the Boomers, whose numbers are typically inverted -- e.g. 3-1 becomes 1-3. Their latest trick is to cause an unprecedented surge in the number 50+ year-olds who are divorcing.

AndrewPrice said...

Scott, Agreed. And that is the image problem "the rich" have right now -- so many are making their money through things like banking/lawyering where they get rich by injecting themselves into other people's transactions as middlemen because they bent the law to require that. Americans love people who get rich by making America better... not by shaving off a percentage of someone else's effort.

I totally agree with the second point too. I'm tired of people screaming that America is coming to an end and whining that Bush/Obama whoever is behind it. America is bigger than that.

AndrewPrice said...

Indi, The entrepreneurial spirit is who we are. It's in our culture and in our very beliefs. That's what makes us exceptional. Everything in America tells us "If you don't like it, do it yourself." Everything from our ads to our films to folklore to our expressions to our "national myths."

That's why stores like Lowes are major hit here, but fail in other countries. That's why there are so many inventions here. Every day in this country, tens of thousands of people are looking at the widgets around them and saying, "Huh, this would be better if you added a lever here" and then they set out to make it happen. That doesn't happen in the rest of the world. In the rest of the world, when people have that kind of thought, their next thought is "I hope someone does that."

tryanmax said...

Good Lord! I can't even imagine divorcing at that age! Of course, most of them are probably on their second or third marriage anyway. It's not like they've built a life with the other person.

AndrewPrice said...

The divorce rate for those over 50 has doubled since the Boomers hit that age: LINK.

And as the Boomers leave the younger demographic ranges, the divorce rates are plummeting in those demographics.

Kit said...

Andrew,

What is interesting is if you listen to Boomers they'll say its the Millennials who are the worst.

AndrewPrice said...

Kit, When I was young, the Boomer despised "the Greatest Generation". They called them out of touch, oppressive, and made up nasty stereotypes about them... racist, sexist troglodytes. Their stated life goals were to not do anything their parents did. And they said things like "Don't trust anyone over thirty." They were the "Me Generation."

Then we Xers came along and they shit all over us because it turned out that having kids was a responsibility. I saw this throughout my education, where Boomer parents (which thankfully my parents were not) abandoned their kids (latchkey kids) so they could live the materialistic life. To get rich was glorious and we Xers were an annoyance because we were in the way. As we got older, we heard both that we were squares like their damned parents and that we were irresponsible slackers who would never live up to the greatness of the Boomers... who achieved nothing as a generation mind you.

Then you people came along and we were completely forgotten like a replaced toy. We don't exist in the eyes of the Boomers. I haven't kept up with how they are acting toward Millennials, but I do sometimes hear that Millennials feel abused, just as we did.

As an interesting aside, I saw a survey which said that employees overwhelming prefer Gen X managers to Boomer managers, which is really amazing if you think about it since the Boomers are at the point where they should be taking on the role of senior mentors.

Kit said...

"They were the "Me Generation.""
Ironically, they call Millennials the "Me Generation" or "Generation Me".

Also, here is an article about the Millennials that refers to them as the "Screwed Generation". Pretty interesting read.
LINK

Individualist said...

Andrew

They still don't trust anyone over 30...

Anyone who acts like they are over 30 that is.......

I don't know if you saw it but there was a movie about the people who started Woodstock. There is a scene where the "hippies" are arriving for the concert and the cops are standing guard and the cops are remarking how clean and respectful they are.....

I guess the Acid they took before the concert had yet to set in.... I laughed at the rewriting of history.

AndrewPrice said...

Kit, I've heard them say that about the Millennials, but that's just projection.

Here's some proof to back up the "Me Generation" thing: Boomers Narcissism

As for being the screwed generation, that was us too. And there are some interesting stats on how the Boomers claim their goal is to spend all their money before they die... just can't find them at the moment.

tryanmax said...

The Boomers are showing a mixed attitude toward Millennials. On one hand, they have this impulsive need to crap on every generation besides their own. On the other hand, they seem to recognize that their well-being in their twilight years depends on Millennials, so they'd better not piss them off too much.

The compromise they seem to be working toward is to characterize Millennials as a lesser version of the Boomers. Rather than accusing Millennials of being just like X-ers and the Greats, Boomers are projecting their own flaws on Millennials, but in a way that denies they have any.It's a dubious characterization to say the least. (See TIME magazine cover piece "The Me Me Me Generation")

The Boomers still cling to the delusion that they blazed an uncharted trail so they can absolve themselves of the "mistakes" they made while chastening Millennials for not learning from their example. Thus they bestow upon themselves the mantle of "older and wiser" and subsequently deny their ongoing errors. (See, they have to divorce in ridiculous numbers b/c they are still redefining marriage and now they have to redefine retirement, too. The burden of it all!)

On balance, I'd say the Boomers' impulse to trash all other generations handily trumps any attempt at mollifying Millennials.

AndrewPrice said...

Indi, I despise Woodstock... not the event, which was just a concert for dope heads, but the false idea of Woodstock. Boomer act like that changed the world somehow, and like we're supposed to care about it. Yet, they can't even tell you how it changed the world, and those who pretend they can can't explain how the Boomers could then go on to become everything they claim Woodstock stood against in the 1980s once they discovered cocaine and greed. Yet, they act like this is the equivalent of winning WWII or inventing the internet. Drives me nuts.

AndrewPrice said...

tryanmax, I've seen that. I suspect the reason for the confused position on Millennials though is one of timing.

When the Millennials first came along, the Boomers saw them as a chance to build a genuine parent-child relationship, something they never did with the Xers. So they started with, "Gee, aren't these Millennials just a chip off the old block... unlike you ungrateful Xers."

But the Boomer instinct to crap on other generations, to aggrandize themselves, and to be intensely selfish/greedy with wealth (both their own and other peoples), soured that relationship as well. And when the Millennials didn't become mini-mes and they didn't happily sacrifice so the Boomers could have more, the Boomers started calling them slackers and unreliable.

As an aside, Obamacare really is a Boomer attempt to rob Millennials, if you think about it.

BevfromNYC said...

Hey, you kids get OFF OUR LAWN and leave us Boomers alone to wallow in our own failed rock stardom! First of all kiddes, EVERY succeeding generation despised the former generations...it's how we progress. So don't be too hard on us old folks for finding the way you spend your waking hours frivolous! We invented "the cause de jour"! We saw injustice where there was none and stamped it out! We are the generation of political correctness and popularized blue jeans (the pants of the working man, even though we were all children of the burgeoning middle class and most had and would never see a mine or field etc).

We are the children whose parents fought righteous wars hand-to-hand and suffered real hardships like economic depressions and rationing while we fought "the man" and growing up/older with Botox injections and liposuction. We have never felt like we measured up to our Greatest Generation, who made our lives SO miserable with their incessant work ethic and so carefree. So carefree, in fact, that we actually had to INVENT hardship for ourselves. We invented gyms, endless dieting, Ashrams (well, popularized), and endless unrelenting dissatisfaction at every turn.

We are the product of our parents' need for their children never to suffer from want, so we wanted for nothing. But our parents didn't hug us enough or tell us they loved us enough (mainly because they were working so hard that they never had time...), so we tell OUR children ever single day how special and unique they are even after they move back home after 8 years working on the bachelors in "Women's Studies" and can't find a job. We tell them it's THEM not YOU as we do their laundry with a smile (and a large bottomless glass of wine in our hands).

Okay, I'm done. You get the idea, you ungrateful ingrates. YOU don't know how good you have it! 8-P

Backthrow said...

Here's some typical pro-Boomer propaganda. I don't buy it for a second.

AndrewPrice said...

Bev, I don't think I've laughed so hard in a long time! :D

In all seriousness, I do know a lot of great Boomers, but I also know a lot more who really do fit the stereotypes. And what's interested me lately is the sudden appearance of a ton of statistics that confirm that the Boomers are outliers on almost all issues. There is remarkable consistency of values between the Greats, the Xers and the Millenials, and that gives me a lot of hope that a lot of these ugly trends we've seen over the past few decades will automatically reverse themselves over time. Things like divorce, drug use, crime, taking on too much debt all seem to be things that the other generations are not prone to nearly as much as the Boomers.

BTW, I love "you ungrateful ingrates." LOL!! :D

tryanmax said...

Andrew, absolutely. Despite all the talk of "uninsurables" the real goal of Obamacare is to get young people to pay the bills of old people. Why else would you need provisions that specify elderly policyholders can't be charged more than triple the young person's rate? So the oldsters had their whole lives to prepare, get healthy, save some money? So the scheme robs youngsters of the same chance? So what?

AndrewPrice said...

Backthrow, LOL! Yeah... wrong Boomer.

AndrewPrice said...

tryanmax, That is essentially what is going on. Older Americans haven't saved enough, so they set up these ponzi-scheme like programs. This one is too expensive to do through taxes, so they are trying to fund it on the backs of Millennials by forcing them to get insurance, which subsidizes aging Boomers, whose costs are capped.

I will bet you that the minute the Boomers are all on Medicare, they will change their minds and want to kill Obamacare and go instead for a direct tax so the government has enough money.

tryanmax said...

It's worth noting that, in spite of all their achievements, the Greatest Generation had it's flaws, too. After all, they raised the Boomers.

I jest, but in all seriousness, I've seen a lot to suggest that after WWII, many Greats took on an attitude that their work was done. When they found that it actually wasn't, they became bitter. Sure, their work ethic was great, but their attitude was sour. In that sense, it's understandable that the Boomers wouldn't want to emulate their parents.

AndrewPrice said...

When I talked about cynicism at the film site, I noted that the first sign of cynicism really rises in the films of the 1950s. That has to be the Greats because the Boomers were too young to influence film at that point.

On your larger point, no generation is perfect, nor is everyone within a particular generation prone to the same behavior. These are just trends.

BevfromNYC said...

Hey, Andrew, it wasn't meant to be funny...okay, yes it was. I am actually at the tail end of the Boomers, so I have done a lot of eye=rolling at my older cousins who were REAL hippies and such.

But it does not surprise me that we are the outliers. The pendulum swings back and forth from one generatio to the next. The Boomers are to the Greatest Generation what the Roaring '20's/Flapper Generation was to the WWI generation. Both Boomers and Flappers were the product of a hideous global war followed by an explosion of wealth right and became adults right before a big economic crash.

Each generation does the opposite of what their parents did. The Millenials and X'ers (and whatever other name) are doing the opposite of what their Boomer parents did. You also have to factor in that Boomers married later and had children later. We were the first generation to use birth control recreationally too...

Backthrow said...

Andrew, can we be so sure?

Firstly, it ran on NBC, a.k.a. 'Boomer Central'. Secondly, in the theme song, in amongst the lies of heroism (and notice how Boomer only saves another Boomer) and Boomer somehow quickly 'going away', they let slip that Boomer is "never gonna settle down", which predicts the divorce stats you cited. Finally, they purposely ignore the obvious, that those who follow Boomer (read Gen X, Millenials, their offspring and untold yet-unborn children) will have to carry scoopers, to clean up the messes Boomer leaves behind wherever he goes.

Not that any of this really matters, in the grand scheme of things, as we face the inevitable Great Kitten Rebellion.

Kit said...

Andrew,

“And what's interested me lately is the sudden appearance of a ton of statistics that confirm that the Boomers are outliers on almost all issues. There is remarkable consistency of values between the Greats, the Xers and the Millenials, and that gives me a lot of hope that a lot of these ugly trends we've seen over the past few decades will automatically reverse themselves over time. Things like divorce, drug use, crime, taking on too much debt all seem to be things that the other generations are not prone to nearly as much as the Boomers.”

I have noticed similar things like how Millennials are less risk-averse than their predecessors.

Of course, this leads to the inevitable question: Why isn’t the GOP trying to reach out to them?

Kit said...

"I have noticed similar things like how Millennials are less risk-averse than their predecessors. "

I meant: "I have noticed similar things like how Millennials are more risk-averse than their predecessors." That in they are less likely to engage in risky behaviors such as drinking, drugs, wild orgies etc.

AndrewPrice said...

Bev, It will be interesting to see how the next generation reacts. In all honesty, I don't see any inter-generational fighting today except where the Boomers are involved. It will be interesting to see how the kids of the Millennials behave.

What's interesting to me about the idea that the Boomers are all hippies is that that's not where I see them doing the most damage. My first real encounter with Boomers was in the 1980s, watching them treat their kids like furniture. They really didn't want to spend time with their kids. They wanted the second BMW and the vacation in the islands instead and many of my friends barely ever saw their parents. And when they did, they were basically told that they were a burden and they should be thankful the Boomer parents took care of them. Those are the kinds of things my parents (and their generation) simply never said to us.

Then in the 1990s, they tried to establish relationships with their grand kids by telling them how bad their own children had been to them and how we Xers were disloyal to the Boomers for all they had done. After that, they lost interest in us and focused on the Millennials.

AndrewPrice said...

Backthrow, LOL! Bravo! :)

AndrewPrice said...

Kit, The GOP is blind. They have bought into this odd idea that politics is like it was in the 1930s. You get activists who go door to door with your message. They completely lack the ability to understand the public or how to reach them.

Why? I'm not entirely sure. Part of it is the bleed through from religion, in that they think they are selling "truth" to the public -- which is a joke in politics. That seems to be behind the utterly irrational hatred of marketing. Part of it is the push to extremism, which breeds a pride in exclusion... the very thing that dooms you in politics. Part of it is that they aren't comfortable with people who aren't like them, i.e. women, minorities, young people. Part of it is simply that the people in politics are rarely smart and they tend to only do things that they've been shown before rather than trying new things because they don't know how to do new things. Corporations struggle with that one too.

Kit said...

By the way, here is a very interesting article on Millennials. Now, admittedly, its from a very left-wing site (look at the side links!) but the article itself is interesting.
LINK

Patriot said...

Bev....Kids dese days!! Whaddya gonna do with them? I know, how about we tell them to shut up about all their whining on how messed up the "Boomers" and how perfect THEY are. So, let's take a look at a world without "Boomer" creativity:

No PC's
No Starbucks
No cellphones
No 're-modeled' Mustangs (the car of choice for X'ers and Millenials)
No IPods
No GPS
No credit cards (well...I think we call do without those)
No XBox, PS360's, Nintendos (What are those?)
No living at home until you're 35-40 (with your Boomer 'rents BTW)
No Paintball
No Segways
No SEAL Teams
No awesome military weapons to be the world's bad ass
No Harry Potter (sorry muggles)
No Terminators
No hard rock reunion tours (that all you kids seem to attend as well)
And the biggest one of all you ingrates.....NO INTERNET

So, what has the next gen done? Played upon all the creativity (drug induced granted) that the evil "Boomers" have contributed.

Oh wait....They've given us Facebook, Google, Paris Hilton/Lindsey Lohan/Miley Cyrus, mosh pits, meth, twerking....need I go on?

So, before you young whippersnappers continue slamming us old-timers, look upon the world we're leaving you and all the toys, goodies, inventions and let's face it, some pretty kick-ass leisure time activities that WE created!

You welcome Bev....and all the other geriatrics on this site.

Patriot said...

And Andrew......I feel sorry for your experience with Boomers. But you know.....that shit happens in EVERY generation.

Patriot said...

.......Yes, I am a Boomer and proud of it! Say it after me..."Boomer Pride!"

AndrewPrice said...

Patriot, A couple points.

(1) Sure, it happens in every generation, but not in these numbers. The numbers on these things were unprecedented when the Boomers did them. The statistic are with me on this. The Boomers on every single measure are statistical outliers to the bad.

(2) Nice attempt at cherry picking! No segways, huh? LOL!

(3) Anyway, on the list, many of the things you list as Boomer achievement were created by non-boomers. The internet, for example, was developed in the 1950s and 1960s by ideas from men born in the 1910-1920 range.

Credit cards actually got their start in the 1900s, with the first bank card being issued in 1946.

The SEALs trace their history back to 1942.

Yeah, you got us on Harry Potter and Starbucks.

Patriot said...

Andrew....A rebuttal (of sorts):

"(3) Anyway, on the list, many of the things you list as Boomer achievement were created by non-boomers. The internet, for example, was developed in the 1950s and 1960s by ideas from men born in the 1910-1920 range."

--- I offer for your consideration Mr.Tim Berners-Lee, Computer Scientist, Born: June 8, 1955 (age 58) I believe that makes him a Boomer!

"The SEALs trace their history back to 1942."

Granted....I should have clarified "SEAL Team Six" which is popular today with the kids.

"Credit cards actually got their start in the 1900s, with the first bank card being issued in 1946"

You got me on that one. 'Credit' for credit cards should go to the "Greatest Generation!"

tryanmax said...

Patriot, so you're basically taking the Henry Ford/Dr. Frankenstein position: you abhor your own creation.

tryanmax said...

Point of clarification: TimBL is commonly regarded as the inventor of the World Wide Web (www) which is not, despite common vernacular, synonymous with the Internet. Specifically, he implemented the first successful communication between a HTTP client and server via the Internet. Not to downplay the significance of the achievement, but what TimBL did was to reach an end originally described by J.C.R. Licklider (b. 1915), first head of computer research at DARPA, in 1962.

AndrewPrice said...

tryanmax, Yeah, the internet idea was already around by 1955 with credit to Licklider for the idea. But it's also one of those things where I think the credit can't go to one person. The net we have today is a collaborative work of tens of thousands of smart people, each of whom has refined it and improved it.

More importantly, though, I find it hard to credit ideas invented by single people or even small groups to a generation. For example, I don't credit the Whatevers for Edison or Einstein. Generations are only relevant as social trends.

Patriot said...

tryanmax.....I'll clarify my "Internet" remarks on Mr. Lee.

For the Gen X'ers, Millenials and all non-Baby Boomers:

No Internet PORN - (The largest use of the 'Internet" by you guys) Tough to see how this could be without Mr. Lee.

Kit said...

But Boomers, it appears, did build the Personal Computer.

tryanmax said...

Patriot, way to stay classy, friend. Though credit for the invention of digital photography goes to Steven Sasson, born 1950.

AndrewPrice said...

Patriot, LOL!

As an interesting aside, the Boomers didn't invent porn -- that goes at least as far back as the Romans. Moreover, while I think most people think of porn going mainstream in the 1960s with Hugh Heffner and Playboy, Playboy actually started in 1953.

AndrewPrice said...

Kit, The personal computer was invented by the Ancient Greeks. In 412 BC, Computicus and his assistant Athomicus invented the first personal computer. But it was suppressed by BIG ABBICUS.

;-P

Kit said...

Andrew,

re Porn. The human race's obsession with sex would mean that somebody would put sex on the web eventually. As soon as we could tell stories we were spinning yarns about gods screwing everything in sight -regardless of gender.

(All links are wikipedia links.)

The Romans put graphic images on their walls. You have to go to the darker edges of the web to find stuff that compares with what was found in Pompeii.

With the rise of the novel we started writing dirty stories about innocent young girls corrupted into lives of decadence.

And in the late-19th century with the rise of photography there were postcards of French ladies in the nude.

And when film came, people grabbed movie cameras and put them to work, filming women stripping and screwing like rabbits.

The internet merely continued this most ancient tradition.

Kit said...

The above was also addressed to Patriot.

Patriot said...

I think the oldest pictures of porn were found in the El Castillo cave in Spain. Apparently the Neanderthals were fond of depicting the female art form in various positions over 40,000 years ago! The 'Cave Wide Web' was developed by Tim Urrgghh I guess :)

AndrewPrice said...

Kit. Yep. That would be us. LOL!

AndrewPrice said...

Patriot, LOL! Tim Urrgghh. Nice! :)

I had no idea the Neanderthals did that... but it doesn't surprise me.

Patriot said...

Kit......I cede all porn expertise to you and your generation. We Boomers had to deal with hairy armpits on our women! Not conducive to setting the mood..if you know what I mean.

AndrewPrice said...

Patriot, You have my sympathy.

BevfromNYC said...

You are ALL wrong because Al Gore invented the internet and he is CLEARLY a Boomer. He also invented "Global Warming". So there!

Hat tip to Patriot: Cave Wide Web! Brilliant...

AndrewPrice said...

Bev, I draw the line at believing there is an Al Gore. I've seen no proof.

tryanmax said...

Andrew, but all the computer models show that there is an Al Gore and the consensus is that he does exist. What more proof do you need?

Anonymous said...

Andrew -

Re: Woodstock, while I can appreciate the music, politicians/pundits need to realize that my generation - for the most part - DOESN'T GIVE A F--- ABOUT THE 60s! (I mean, I do but I'm a child of pop culture.)

In other words, get over it! Hell, most people just 5 years younger than me don't even care about the 70s or 80s either. (I use my movie references as a gauge.)

It would be the equivalent of people in the 60s whining about all the troubles we had back in the 10s!

tryanmax said...

Scott, to be fair, people on the left routinely whine about all sorts of things going back to 1492.

Anonymous said...

tryanmax -

I don't deny that... it was more of a general statement for both sides. :-)

AndrewPrice said...

Scott, I think people tend to think back on the things that influenced them and they don't often realize that others don't even know what they are talking about.

That said, I think it's a good sign though that America is not trapped in a particular era, i.e. we don't obsess over the ____. Compare that to countries like the Balkans who obsess over ancient insults or countries like Italy or Greece who try to live on their pasts. Our strength as a nation is that we can keep renewing ourselves with each generation and putting our mistakes behind us as we try new things.

AndrewPrice said...

tryanmax, LOL! Never trust a computer model. Stick with human models.

tryanmax said...

Andrew, you don't mean like hockey stick with human models, do you?

Okay, that was a bit of a stretch, but that's where my mind immediately went.

AndrewPrice said...

I couldn't think of a way to work in the hockey stick. :(

Individualist said...

I dunno when I think of Al Gore I think there must be some kind of stick inserted into his spine from the rectal region.

Why not a hockey stick. How about we have someone from the UN run a computer simulation to determine it's viability.

Individualist said...

And no I am not trying to move the conversation back to Porn again either!~

AndrewPrice said...

I repeat, Al Gore is a myth. ;-P

Backthrow said...

The indians call him Assquatch... he leaves a big (carbon) footprint.

AndrewPrice said...

LOL! Bravo! Extra points for that! :D

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