Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Second Presidential Debate Thread!!


Round Two tonight! Will Obama come out swinging? I would think so. Does he know how? I kind of doubt it. Look for a nasty, nasty affair tonight. One of the theories about Biden's last performance was that he acted went full-jackass intentionally in the hopes of making Obama look better when Obama tries to go half-assed tonight. No, I'm not kidding.

So what do you think will happen tonight? Also, feel free to treat this like an open thread until the event itself.

OT: If anyone hasn't reviewed my books yet, I could really use the help! Even just a few words would help. Thanks! LINK.

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Jen said...

The $250,000 remark again???

T-Rav said...

tryanmax, wait til you find out jobs saved do grow the economy, but jobs created don't. It's coming.

BevfromNYC said...

Can't just one person say "We don't need more taxes, we need more TAX PAYERS!!!"

tryanmax said...

T-Rav, anything is bad so long as a Republican proposes it.

tryanmax said...

Bev, I'm pretty sure it got said in the last two debates, but I'd like to hear it again.

T-Rav said...

Moron. You knew exactly what he was going to say.

Individualist said...

Governor said something and Obama can you please tell us why he is lying uh... uh....

Joel Farnham said...

Where are the fact checkers?

T-Rav said...

He just did, or are you deaf?

Notawonk said...

BIG BIRD!

tryanmax said...

More class warfare.

T-Rav said...

Everything you just said came out of your mouth and your surrogates' mouths, not Romney's.

AndrewPrice said...

Doubling down on ass warfare... oops, class warfare.

Jen said...

Patti, You beat me to it!

tryanmax said...

I think it doesn't add up b/c Obama is the one doing the math.

Individualist said...

But you did for four years din't you Mr. the country has no budget

T-Rav said...

Andrew, it is a form of warfare he does very well, although it is the only one.

tryanmax said...

Mr. Romney, please respond to Obama's false premise.

Notawonk said...

wait. dems can add?

tryanmax said...

Oh, snap! DENIED!

And I have to eat another Zinger.

AndrewPrice said...

Nice!! That's math that doesn't add up.

Notawonk said...

mitt: shush woman!

BevfromNYC said...

Fight, fight!!!!

T-Rav said...

Holy Lord.

tryanmax said...

Da FUQ!? Imma shoot myself.

AndrewPrice said...

Waaaaaaah

T-Rav said...

And there's the Obama plant with the "War on Women" question.

AndrewPrice said...

Oh sorry, I thought we had entered into the whiny, ignorant feminist zone.

BevfromNYC said...

Make yourself WORTH the same and you will get paid the same...

T-Rav said...

Too bad you didn't learn from her about not complaining.

T-Rav said...

Obama's Theory of Government in a nutshell: Government should be an advocate.

tryanmax said...

The pay gap has been debunked so many, many times. Why won't it go away?

AndrewPrice said...

Imagine the irony then that Obama refused to sign the equal pay law the Democrats pushed.

BevfromNYC said...

And about those women who work in YOUR WH who get paid less than the men who do the same job, Mr. President??

Notawonk said...

SINGLE MOM! TWO KIDS! SACRIFICES! GRANDMA! NO COLLEGE! GLASS CEILING! NO COMPLAINTS! SAME JOB AS A MAN! PAID LESS! SADS! WE FIXED IT (DEMS!)! FIGHT FOR IT! ROMNEY SUX! I LOVE YOUNG WOMEN! GIVE ME THE MONEY! ENFORCE THE LAWS (BUT NOT IMMIGRATION!)! I PUSH!

T-Rav said...

tryanmax, because the voters are stupid and because it's too useful as political ammunition to be discarded.

tryanmax said...

So it's the banks keeping women down with student loans? I'm learning a boatload.

T-Rav said...

This stuff makes me roll my eyes, just like it made me roll my eyes in the primaries. But if it's going to win over idiot undecideds, whatevs.

Notawonk said...

tmax: i read that as buttload and LOL'D! then i reread it and didn't lol...

BevfromNYC said...

Romney is doing well. He keeps using every question so far to his advantage.

T-Rav said...

And even here, Romney does a good job at nailing down what he would do to satisfy these concerns, dumb though they may be.

tryanmax said...

I'm learning buttloads, too!

T-Rav said...

So we should approve of a bill before actually looking at it? Thanks, Ms. Pelosi.

AndrewPrice said...

Obama is a turd, pure and simple. But he is sharper than last time.

Notawonk said...

the butts have it!

T-Rav said...

CONTRACEPTIVES!!! DRINK!!!!

tryanmax said...

So forcing employers to provide contraception will create equal pay? It's like I was just born.

Jen said...

The "C" word again (not that "C" word.

Notawonk said...

what kind of advocacy do I need?!

Individualist said...

Lilly Ledbetter bill//// uh Healthcare uh

Politicians in Washington should not decide healthcare choices so I think the government should decide what healthcare choices uh

T-Rav's Jug of Apple Cider said...

I foresee a very short life span.

Joel Farnham said...

Who pays for it? Single white men.

Notawonk said...

tmax: i swear if you start seeing a double rainbow (what does it mean?!), we're cutting your zingers off.

T-Rav said...

Wait, are you implying they don't have opportunities now? (sigh)

Notawonk said...

BUSH! DRANK!

AndrewPrice said...

Has anyone noticed that Obama gets to start and finish each question?

AndrewPrice said...

Undecided my ass.

T-Rav said...

This woman is an undecided voter like I'm a fan of reggae music.

Individualist said...

You are Bush... You are Bush ......

WTF

T-Rav said...

Andrew, he's President, so it's fair or something.

tryanmax said...

Question lady: I really want to vote for Obama, but I want Mr. Romney to give me a reason why.

Individualist said...

This is such a biased BS question

Notawonk said...

so this blatant interruption thang of barry's. did they not learn from biden?! they be s-l-o-w learners.

T-Rav said...

That woman didn't even look like an undecided voter. She looked like a lot of haughty, NPR-listening college professors I've known.

tryanmax said...

Forget it, Mitt. She just wants to hear that you'll raise taxes on the rich and expand entitlements.

AndrewPrice said...

"Our party has been too focused on Big Business for too long. I want to focus on Small Business."

SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

T-Rav said...

Yes, you've mentioned that on one or two occasions.

tryanmax said...

Once again, Obama accuses Romney of lying about his plan.

T-Rav said...

Let's play a game. Who here knows why the housing bubble burst in the first place? (raises hand) Anyone? Anyone?

tryanmax said...

Wait, Patti, double rainbow? What about four?

Individualist said...

My administration is winning cause we sue more people

Notawonk said...

BUSH! DRANK!

T-Rav said...

Oh. My. God. Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of all things. Obama is now talking about how wonderfully moderate Bush was.

BevfromNYC said...

Wow, Obama's defending Bush?? WTF??

tryanmax said...

Wow, Obama can actually say something he likes about Bush.

AndrewPrice said...

WTF? So Romney never gets to respond anymore?

Notawonk said...

what have you done? well....um....

T-Rav said...

So, this is a totally balanced and equal-time debate.

BevfromNYC said...

He did NOT end the War in Iraq!! THat is a lie!

T-Rav said...

Romney needs to slap Crowley down and take control back.

Notawonk said...

i still call BUSH! DRANK! even if he did say something nice cause at this point it's medicinal.

Individualist said...

800,000 a month loss is 9.6 million jobs but I created % million so I did good....

uh that's a net 4.6 million loss

Notawonk said...

"you should pay attention?!" oh my...

AndrewPrice said...

Obama's mindless followers will like tonight. I don't know what independents will take from this yet.

T-Rav said...

Jeez, he's back to the stupid whispering-emphasis thing. F@#$ing idiot.

tryanmax said...

So now Romney is going to eliminate ALL taxes for the rich?

tryanmax said...

Who's promises are more likely? I can't believe he actually said that.

Notawonk said...

mitt brought a might hammer.

T-Rav said...

I don't see that this really moves the needle. Romney hasn't come off as dumb or listless in the way Moron-in-Chief did last time. I can live with a tie.

BevfromNYC said...

My head hurts...

T-Rav said...

This is pretty good, though.

Notawonk said...

uh-oh...look to the record. that's gotta sting.

AndrewPrice said...

That was brilliant by Romney.

tryanmax said...

What won't make the morning analysis is the fact that Romney is talking about an actual plan while Obama is simply and repeatedly calling the plan a lie while skirting his own record.

Democrats said...

Only wanting legal immigrants is mean and racist.

Notawonk said...

STOP ILLEGALS

T-Rav said...

I sometimes wonder if candidates realize that when they do this, they're not really answering that one questioner, they're speaking to the public in general, who have different opinions than the questioner much of the time. Just wondering.

Individualist said...

uh Loraine

ignore my univision interview... Please!

Obama Alter Ego said...

We ARE a nation of immigrants. Why, I'm an immigran...no, that's not what I meant to say.

tryanmax said...

T-Rav, I think Mitt does. I doubt that answer was exactly what the asker wanted to hear.

Joel Farnham said...

But Obama, you haven't done anything with immigration.

T-Rav said...

And lest we forget, all illegal immigrants are students/poor working families.

Notawonk said...

pledge allegiance to the flag? what does barry know about that?

T-Rav said...

Did it ever occur to you that he sees options that do not include the DREAM Ac--oh who am I kidding, that never occurs to you, does it?

Joel Farnham said...

Only a half hour left. This has been a long one.

AndrewPrice said...

And Obama distorts Arizona's law to race bait. Typical.

tryanmax said...

What a brazen lie.

Notawonk said...

as a texan close to the border, momma has illgal-dar. trust. these cops know who they're stopping.

T-Rav said...

Lots of terms have been thrown at black people over the years, but I don't think "illegal immigrant" is one of them. Or maybe he's claiming he's Hispanic now.

Notawonk said...

moderator: governor do this! do that!

mitt: no. i'll refute the lies first.

tryanmax said...

Obama's super-majority couldn't get an immigration bill passed b/c those evil Republicans cast a spell on the Democrats

T-Rav said...

Hey Romney, if you do change your mind about that, Bev has some black helicopters you can borrow....

BevfromNYC said...

Fight, fight!!

Notawonk said...

bravo, mitt. don't let that bore take control.

T-Rav said...

Blah blah blah....

Individualist said...

No they could not stop anyone Obama....

The law said they could runa check on anyone that committed a crime

BevfromNYC said...

Obama's gonna call the Secret Service to beat up Romney!

AndrewPrice said...

I hate that stupid voice.

T-Rav said...

Confirmed: Barack Obama is a race-baiting, pompous, insufferable idiot.

tryanmax said...

Obama: Don't listen to Mitt. Let me tell you what his policy is. My policy? My record? Nevermind that. Let me just tell you how bad this guy will be.

Individualist said...

When does Obama get a gotcha question

T-Rav said...

He's a corporate spy! Don't listen to him!

tryanmax said...

Indie, there you go.

BevfromNYC said...

Yea! Benghazi question.

AndrewPrice said...

I can't wait to hear this answer. I'll bet he doesn't have one.

Notawonk said...

barry is shameless.

T-Rav said...

Wow, the rest of America must really hate his ambassadors then.

tryanmax said...

Ah, now I understand Hillary's falling on the sword today. She was just paving the road for Obama tonight.

Tomorrow's story: how BRAVE Obama was.

Notawonk said...

oh man. hunt them down...here comes bin laden's ghost

T-Rav said...

Like killing Osama bin Laden. That would have been bad, to politicize that.

AndrewPrice said...

You mean the way Obama turned all of Bush's policies into politics?

tryanmax said...

Nevermind that Romney got it right. "Too soon! Too soon!"

Jen said...

Ooo Ooo, make sure you blame the video!

T-Rav said...

The irony is so thick, they haven't invented the instruments to measure its depth yet.

Tennessee Jed said...

I had to walk out back when the bullshit fake "undecided" liberal got a question read about "defend yourself from Bush." Crowley wouldn't even let him respond after Barry. I swear there may have been collusion because Obama had a lot of talking points just teed up and ready to go.

Still, I could see the flash polls giving this one to Barry because Mitt started slow. Which means the liberal poll machine to try and say this is a game changer.

Notawonk said...

did y'all catch michelle trying to psyche mitt out with her scowl?!

tryanmax said...

Welcome back, Carter.

CrisD said...

We should get a time count for the minutes and seconds total each participant was allowed in order to properly review this "debate"
I don't care, though. I think Romney has proved that he is not an idealogue but a practical, level headed businessman. Obama is a failed president. FAILED

T-Rav said...

Thought experiment: What if Mitt had waited two or three days to say something about this atrocity? The media wouldn't have chided him for being slow to respond to events or anything like that, would they? Surely not.

Notawonk said...

crisD: concur

BevfromNYC said...

He went there!!! Las Vegas, BABY!!! Good for Romney. Let's see Obama worm out of that!

tryanmax said...

T-Rav, Bush still gets guff for taking seven minutes. There's your answer.

T-Rav said...

CrisD, we'll probably hear one at the end.

Individualist said...

Oh God now let's blame Clinton

T-Rav said...

Moral indignation much?

AndrewPrice said...

Now he's trying to exploit the deaths?

Barack Obama said...

No-body knows...the trou-ble I've seen....

CrisD said...

In other words...too little too late

Individualist said...

And evidently those responsible must have fled to Vegas huh!

Don't call it SIN city for nuthin

Notawonk said...

i don't care how many times he tells me he's gonna "hunt down those responsible for the crime" he's a lightweight.

AndrewPrice said...

Candy just lies to help Obama.

Notawonk said...

mitt's gonna cut you with the his sharpened truth stick!

T-Rav said...

This is devolving into idiocy.

BevfromNYC said...

Wow, he called him on it.

Joel Farnham said...

This is supposed to be undecided voters? Why are they clapping for Obama?

Individualist said...

Transcripts we don need no stinkin transcripts

Jen said...

"Just go to the transcripts".

tryanmax said...

Proof that NYers are just your typical Americans.

Fast and Furious said...

Uh.....(raises hand)

Notawonk said...

oy. too many weird details = lying! i'm out. it's been fun, y'all. give 'em hell!

Individualist said...

Too many people killed by assault weapons by cartel members ....

Who is selling assault weapons to drug cartels I wonder

AndrewPrice said...

Joel, These are not undecideds. They are left leaning, and the questions show they are generally far left.

T-Rav said...

Joel, when they said undecided, they meant they hadn't decided whether to vote Democrat or Green.

Individualist said...

Say FAST and FURIOUS MITT SAY IT!

tryanmax said...

Just checked the transcript at http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/12/remarks-president-deaths-us-embassy-staff-libya

The word "terror" is used once in this context: No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.

In a broader context, it is used generally and not specifically applied to the attack. IOW, Romney was right.

BevfromNYC said...

T-Rav - They haven't decided whether to vote for Obama or not vote at all.

T-Rav said...

Debate Poll: Who's the biggest idiot on TV right now?

a) Teleprompter-In-Chief
b) Candy Crowley
c) The Audience
d) Honey Boo Boo

Jen said...

Fast and Furious, YES!

tryanmax said...

Bev, good one!

T-Rav, Honey Boo Boo, but only by a hair.

AndrewPrice said...

And Crowley helps again.

T-Rav said...

Remember, loaded questions are one of the most obvious forms of logical fallacies.

Individualist said...

uh Gvoernor no calling OBama out on his bS

BevfromNYC said...

Interesting Romney was about to say Fast & Furious, and Candy cut him off to change the direction...

Joel Farnham said...

Assault weapons and assault guns. People still don't understand that assault guns are automatic. Assault weapons aren't.

AndrewPrice said...

So Obama claims he's more pro-gun than Romney?

Individualist said...

We m ust ban assault weapons

except when it comes to drug cartels

then the gubmint should fund them so they are nice to us and have the Coyotee's bring us voters

T-Rav said...

Personally, I don't think Crowley's so much an idiot as a mendacious charlatan.

Jen said...

C.C. sucks!

tryanmax said...

I missed something. How did we get from guns to higher education?

T-Rav said...

Second's up.

Individualist said...

T rav

Mendacious Charlatan's can be idots too give her some time

tryanmax said...

What the hell was that?

T-Rav said...

Obama seems to not be aware that all his talking points were exploded in the last debate.

tryanmax said...

Because I really believe that Americans will manufacture plastic party novelties. And at the same low prices I've become accustomed to. Pthzzz!

Individualist said...

tyranmax

if we train our college graduates they will be less likely to go get guns because they can't get a job

Now does Obamanomics make sense to you

tryanmax said...

*aneurism*

Labor Unions said...

Just make sure we get paid $75.00 an hour.

Individualist said...

Man I want this thing to be over

T-Rav said...

Wait, you agree on that? Whaaa????

tryanmax said...

Wow, Obama has now adopted Romney's plan. This is tough to follow.

AndrewPrice said...

Obama is such a liar.

Jen said...

As long as you don't make over $250,000 a year. No profits for you.

Individualist said...

I think that OBama has now totally contradicted himself five times now

T-Rav said...

By "gone up 11 percent," you mean inflation, right?

tryanmax said...

C.C. just referred to China as "here."

Interesting.

T-Rav said...

Do. Not. Let. Her. Cut. You. Off.

tryanmax said...

Let me see if I follow, outsourcing is bad unless the job is bad, which is determined by Obama's say-so.

AndrewPrice said...

So, the government creates jobs?

T-Rav said...

That's not a hard question at all!

Jen said...

High wage, high skill jobs, and like Solyndra, sell your item for less than it takes to make it.

Brilliant. //sarc

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