Round Two tonight! Will Obama come out swinging? I would think so. Does he know how? I kind of doubt it. Look for a nasty, nasty affair tonight. One of the theories about Biden's last performance was that he acted went full-jackass intentionally in the hopes of making Obama look better when Obama tries to go half-assed tonight. No, I'm not kidding.
So what do you think will happen tonight? Also, feel free to treat this like an open thread until the event itself.
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426 comments:
1 – 200 of 426 Newer› Newest»I think that Obama will come off as petty, vindictive, "a little bitch", and as a man who relies on calling Romney a liar without the slightest shred of proof to back it up. And rely on Romney to call him on it the way he did with the 'outsourcing to China earns you a tax break' comment.
I don't think Candy Crowley is competent enough to be able to control this debate. Just a feeling.
Muriel 2 is on its way. In January Cuba is scrapping its exit visa (citizens need permission to leave the country) though it is still controls the travel of 'sensitive' professions such as doctors (who with good reason would want to live in the US).
Cuba explained that they are doing it out of love for the dispora (probably the funniest joke I'll hear all week).
The timing of this probably has a lot to do with the weakness of the American economy (the last time Cuba staged a mass exodus was under Carter) and perhaps something to do with the state of Cuba. The exporting of the opposition will certainly make life easier for the Castros.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/16/cuba-scraps-exit-visa_n_1969188.html
So, they think that because SectHillary fell on the sword about Benghazi (while high tailing it to Peru, btw, so no one would have to face the US press corp...I know...who am I kidding?) that the case is closed and that the Pres is free and clear. Uh, no. Now he needs to explain the lies and misdirection on the CAUSE of the attacks. I think this should be Question #1 for tonight's debate AND for next week's too.
barry's gonna come out with his best clint impersonation, but he'll still be the empty chair, no matter how much he squints and growls.
What irks me is the pretense that these "town hall" debates are people asking the candidates questions from "independent" folks.
The questions are preselected based on a liberal play book and I would not be surprised if half of them were written by Obama Campaign staffers. And even if they weren't and are on the up and up why should I give special credence to the 5% that has not yet thought through the issues enough to have made up their mind.
Unfortunately we in the GOP need to refuse this format unless it is changed. One possible method that each party gets its own moderator that the candidates can select. The questions are split evenly between the two moderators who may choose what they wish. But that would mean the GOP actually getting a word in edgewise so...
I just found out there are some rule changes for tonight's debate. They are as follows:
1. No hitting below the belt.
2. Special rule for Democratic candidates: Headbands may be considered as belts.
3. Special rule for Republican candidates: No belts allowed.
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Indie, the only good thing about tonight's format is that I can make fun of the weirdos they select from the audience.
Bev, it's at least possible that Hillary did this so she'd be the one to come out smelling like roses ("Look at me! I'm taking responsibility!") and get more room to manuever for 2016. I'm kind of suspicious that she'd make a run, but it's worth keeping in mind.
Since this is an open thread, I'll mention that American Thinker has a blog post up titled "7 More Simple Things Mitt Should Say...but only if he wants to win." Simply put, it lays shame on the "Thinker" part of the blog's name.
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I'm gonna miss most of it again tonight - GRRR. (mantra "graduating in May; graduating in May")
I'm with Indi about "town-hall" "debates"
tryanmax's rules look about right...
T-Rav: a fb friend postulated something similar this morning - "I wondered why a politician as ambitious as Hillary would jump on a live grenade for this president the way she did. I assumed the administration must have some dirt on her but I think I may have figured it out. What do you think the media would do to Hillary if she outed their messiah? She would have no chance of earning her party's nomination in 2016 if the Media turned on her. However if she takes this bullet she becomes a hero, a martyr, if you will and the media will insulate her in 2016. This is a political risk for sure but I am positive that she is falling on the sword so that she will not be blamed by the left for sinking the president. This move may not save President Obama but it gives Hillary the best chance to be the democratic choice in the future. Just my new opinion."
Look for the establishment to coalesce around Barry, this includes Candy Crowley. No matter what happens the liberal press will declare Barry the winner. The problem for the press is, the electorate has existed in Barry’s world and found it terribly wanting. So, if in reality Romney pulls a draw, he wins big.
Note: Candy Crowley has taken so much flak for being a liberal hack, which she is, look for her to possibly take to Barry a bit, that in my mind is the X-factor. Barry doesn’t do off the cuff well, this could make him look like the stuttering, stammering fool that he is…we’ll see.
tyranmax
Exactly
Why exactly does the RNC put up with this crap...
Moderators who publicly announce our ticket is Dead, moderators who are personal freinds of the President.
Every moderator from some liberal haven network that does not have one conservative working for them....
It is nonsense! There are people from FOX that could be considered. Gretta Van Sustran.
Honestly the best Town Hall Debate format would be run by Greg Gutfeld.
Instead of the moderator asking follow up questions we'd get follow up criticisms from Angry Cat and Puppy falling into the wading pool...
It would be great!
Indi: awesome Moderator suggestion!
rlaWTX
I think I beleived the "falling on the sword" to be taken seriously when they did it in ancient fuedal Japan......
In modern day America it seems to mean getting a lecture circuit to sell books.....
LL, I agree. I think he'll come across as petty, snippy and angry. I think he will spend his time calling Romney a liar (without using the word) and attacking him over the 47%/Bain things. I don't expect to hear a reason to vote for him.
saw Pat Caddell's article about Romney pincer movement. What caught my eye was a great line Ryan might have used the other night. "Martha, if you aren't going to control the V.P. from interrupting me, why do you go over and sit next to him and I'll debate both of you together." Maybe Romney could use something similar if Crowley gets too obvious.
Still, the A.P. has a storyline about how this debate could tilt the election either way. As such, if the president improves even a little, the spin to call this a grand slam game changer will be ferocious. Romney has to be ready to quickly knock down any Obama lies, stay out of the weeds and remind people the election is a referendum on a president who has largely failed to do what he promised and left us much worse off than we were. It's O.K. to fire a performer who fails that miserably.
Anthony, That will be interesting. I wonder how big the exodus will ultimately be?
Indie, not to mention that Candy Crowley is murder on the eyes! Greta doesn't quite stack up against the FOX info-babes, but at least she looks nice.
Bev, I think the problem with Hillary taking the blame is that she waited too long for it to be effective. It feels political at the moment.
tryanmax, I think I saw those rules somewhere.
Do you have a link to the American Thinker bit?
Indi and rlaWTX, I don't like the townhall debates either. They strike me as fake, like reality TV fake.
Sorry you're going to miss tonight's debate. But graduating is important. :)
T-Rav, I think Hillary ends up looking good. She looks loyal by taking the blame, but she waited long enough to make it look like she's not really to blame. In the end, I think none of this will stick to her, but it will make her people more happy with her.
How about bill Bennett...
How could liberals complain about him. He is teh epitomy of "fairness" and "civility" in discussions
Man I am really irked all these moderators are partisan hacks
Stan, I suspect Crowley will basically be nasty to both. I guess we'll see how biased she ends up. She couldn't be worse that the last one.
Jed, Unless Romney blows him away, I think the MSM spin will be that Obama won and re-established himself as the front runner. And they'll produce D+20 polls to prove it.
How rude of me. American Thinker article
rla, you'll be with us in spirit, though, right? :-)
The thing of it is, though that may very well be Hillary's reasoning, I don't know what the chances are that it'll play out like she hopes. The Republicans are still going to take this to Obama and pin it all on him, which would seem to undercut the value of her "sacrifice." Come to that, she's left it kind of vague what she's taking responsibility for. For botching the intelligence, or for all the lying? Plus, I don't know how much it will matter down the road.
Then again, maybe Hillary's angling for something else. Who knows.
Spirits? Good idea!
Should Obama lose tonight, look to Obama and cronies blaming Hillary on the loss. Again, just a feeling.
BTW, what are the drinking rules tonight?
Joel, the drinking rules are forthcoming. Stay tuned.
You should be stocking up, though.
tryanmax,
Sometimes I think the editors at American Thinker don't actually read the articles submitted.
tryanmax,
Did you happen to read that author's previous submission? I am glad Romney ignored his advice.
T-Rav - One rule: Anytime Obama interrupts Romney - DRINK!!
Biden interrupted Ryan 87 times. Obama's can do better than that!
Instead of Papa Joe's guffaws, count up TOTUS' smirks...
Yes, I will join you in spirit, if not in spirits.
I'll be home about in time for the closing arguments.
HilShil has spent enough time married to Slick Willy that I am sure she is angling for anything that pays off on that investment...
Oh, NO!
Obama just scored the endorsement of a lifetime!
Honey Boo Boo!
Romney is stunned and unavailable for comment.
/sarcasm off
Is it just me or does the MSM seem to be putting a lot of pressure on Obama to win tonight? I'm see a lot of articles about the expectations for him having gone way up and how he's all prepared and ready to really shine. Bad move, folks.
Hmm, good point Andrew. I wasn't hearing it as pressure, more like wishful thinking, but it certainly turns into pressure. On the other hand, all of the "comeback kid" stories are already written, so unless Obama wets himself onstage, the media is going to run with them regardless.
Also, I expect Romney to be charming and personable vs. a stiff and awkward Obama, but for the media to somehow witness the polar opposite.
The Candy Crowley: This is all about Me Rule has just been agreed to. What a shame. I hate the thought of this liberal pig getting to help B.O.
Joel, I would have been upset if Honey Boo Boo had endorsed Romney. Having her endorse Obama is a positive good for our side.
Bev, fortunately that was not on the list last time, or we would all be brain-dead right now. As a precaution, I'm leaving that off the list.
What you DO drink on, however:
-"47 percent"
-Abortion/birth control/"War on Women"
-Any mention of Nicki Minaj and/or Mariah Carey
-Whenever Look-At-Me Crowley decides to reword someone's question
-Citing of high-speed rail
-And finally, use of the phrase "Let me be clear."
As always, have the paramedics on speed dial.
So Hillary is taking the blame? For what? For being available for the 2AM phone call that Obama didn't get? For having the air of more (slightly) competence and thus should be the person to call? For acquiescing to our enemies? For aging 20 years in just 3? For those awful dance pictures?
Not surprised about the Honey Boo Boo endorsement. After watching that wretched show about this wretched family, I have concluded that this is Obama's base. I think this might actually be a win for Romney.
How about a drinking game where you drink for every one of Obama's uhhh "thoughtful" uhmm pauses?
Joel
reading the Newsbuster article what was done to Honey Boo Boo was sad.
Kimmel asks her if she knows who Romeny is and she says no. He asks her who the President is and she says Obama.
He then tells her that Romeny is the guy who wanted Snooki's endorsemetn over hers (don't know where he get that from cause it does not sound like Romeny to justify that question with and answer but OK).
Then he asks her who she likes and she says Obama.
So evidently liberals like Kimmel can't even poll 7 year olds with out trying to fudge the results in their favor.
Pathetic!
I don't think Hillary taking the blame matters. Prior to Benghazi the case against Obama's foreign policy was fairly abstract (there were problems, but not the sorts of problems that most people noticed or cared about) but after the murder of the ambassador...
Indi: "what was done to Honey Boo Boo was sad"
I thought you were going to mention the exploitation of this odd child by her bizarre family, but , yeah, what Kimmel did was sad too.
Romney hit the 50% mark in a new Gallup poll
Romney 50%
Obama 46%
This may be high, so tomorrow when it reversed tomorrow, Obama can claim a victory. Again, I am skeptomistic.
Oh, and T-Rav
I plan to flout your stinkin' rules. **hiccup**
"so tomorrow when it reversed tomorrow..."
Bev, it sounds like you've already been flouting my rules.
Bev, just because you drink from a flute glass does not make you a floutist! LOL!
Hey, I like the word "tomorrow". It was my favorite as a child. ;)
I like that! Floutist Noun 1. a person who flouts expertly; 2. a person who drink from a fluted glass; 3. a player of the flute;
Bev, you'll think about it tomorrow... at... Tara?
Bev, I hate to be nitpicky (no I don't) but one who plays the flute is a flautist. (Look at me, undermining my own puns.)But you can add "floutist" to the Commentarama-nary with the first two definitions. As in, when it comes to obeying the Constitution, our president is an expert floutist.
Tyranmax
Is Obama a
"Flighty Floutist"
and if so do we refer to him as a
Flight Flouter
Koshkat
what Irony!
When hillary was talking about the 2 am call, little did she realize she'd be answering the phone even if Obama was elected President.
The flute is a terrible musical instrument, and those who play it just to annoy me shall be classified as "double floutists." And then beaten.
I would like to add an addendum to the drinking rules,
If Obama gets a "boxers or briefs" question, half the bottle must be drunk. If Obama answers it, the other half of the bottle must be drunk.
Any one oppose it?
Jed,
I think Candy Cane has been given the go-ahead to dominate the questions.
Breitbart Link
This time I am prepared. Not exactly a drinking rule, but every time one of the candidates launches a zinger, I will eat a Hostess® Zinger.®
Ok, now I'm jealous. Zingers... yum. :)
It's only for the debates. Otherwise I am still on my diet.
Me too, though I have strongly considered a Debate Pizza.
REMINDER: The debate starts an hour earlier than the last two.
Debate Streams
http://www.youtube.com/politics
http://www.hulu.com/live
Actually, I may be wrong about the time. I'm seeing news reports with varying times, so I am now confused.
tryanmax, please allow me to introduce myself....
Pleased to meet you, though I must confess, I guessed wrong on the name.
My TV says 9:00 EST / 7:00 MST.
Also, my TV says the Diabetes and Alcoholism Danger is high for this debate.
It starts at 9pm in NY. I mean, it IS at Hofstra. Lots of people complaining that they've shut everything down.
You guys eat junk food if you want. Me, my drinks will be in the form of apple cider from my fridge. Another reminder that autumn in Missouri is awesome.
Apple cider is an excellent rum delivery system.
LEAKED: The Secret Obama Debate Playbook
Killer plan here.
Intro: Shout-out of support to Nicki Minaj and Mariah Carey
Thanks to Madonna, but no thanks.
First 20 Minutes: Warn women they will be forced
to have back-alley abortions if Romney wins
Next Half Hour: Mention how much Romney hates the 47 percent, women, and dogs, in that order
If Successful: Thump chest, proclaim something about "not calling my bluff," etc.
If Unsuccessful: Panic. Foam at the mouth, throw everything up to and including the kitchen sink at Romney, moderator, audience, etc.
End with something wonderful-sounding about America.
T-Rav
Regarding the Flute I generally agree with you with the exception Jethro Tull
By the way, my ballot came in the mail today. I wonder who I'll be voting for? ;)
Candy Cane thinks she should correct a candidate if he answers about oranges and the question was about apples saying "would you like to try again" Here is an example how it might go for you Commentarama readers.
Preselected Obama Campaign Staffer er Undecided Voter: President Obama do you love apples and similarly Mitt why do you hate apple groowers?
Barack Obama: Well er uh ... Oranges are a great fruit and uh I love Oranges but if someone has more than 10 Oranges I think its uh only fair that I uh take five of these Oragnes and give it to those who really need them.
Candy Cane: Great Job Mr. President
Mitt Romney: I like apples especially Red Delicious apples that are grown right here in America in Washington State and I want more apple growing so that Americans can have jobs.
Candy Cane: Well, Mr. Romney, you were asked about Apples and you only talked about one kind of apples. To use a well known metaphor its as if you were asked a question about apples and you decided to talk about oranges instead. Would you like to try your answer again?
Mitt Romney: Mz. Crowley do you think we could talk about irony instead.
Voting through the mail is so weird. Good ol' voting booth for me.
my cheetos have sufficiently lulled me into a carb fog. i.am.ready.
I love voting through the mail. It's easy and you can get it done early.
Patti, Let's hope Obama is in a dumbass fog. ;)
Candy Cane: Um, Mr. Obama, didn't you mean to add that Romney hates old people? Mr. Romney you DO hate old people, DON'T you?
As an undecided voter, Mr. Romney, I have to ask: Why do you want to oppress women and poor people?
T-Rav - I'm with you. I like to go and stand in line. It makes me feel American. And I make up my mind while I am in the voting booth, like every good American.
Andrew - what happens if you find out Romney really IS a criminal who hates women, animals, and old people?
CNN just said that Obama ate a big meal (steak and potatoes). It will be interesting to see how that works for him. I never ate before court because it diverted the blood from your brain and made you tired and lethargic.
I really wish I didn't get so nervous before these debates. But I keep seeing a hundred ways this could go bad, and then....ugh. I'll be on pins and needles until this is over. Actually, I'll probably be on pins and needles until November 7th.
Oh, my. Candy Cane has a more male voice than Obama.
I was thinking of requesting my ballot via vote.obama.com just to throw their internals.
I was on our Academic Team (Quiz Bowl) in high school, and I never liked to eat a lot before a match started. My stomach would start hurting and distract me. I got lethargic by the end regardless, but that's what prolonged concentration of thought does to you.
T-Rav, I don't know very many lawyers who eat before a trial or an appellate argument. There are some, but most wait until afterwards for that very reason.
I'm watching CSPAN...it's absolutely silent. Maybe they haven't put on the sound yet.
Great, Crowley pre-selected the questions. This should be fair.
Not that it compares, but when I was acting, I'd never eat before a show b/c it slows the body down as well as the mind.
And we're off!
Of course, Obama is acting tonight and not debating, so either way...
Oh, the NY area. That'll be unbiased.
Is it wrong of me to say that Candy looks like a lot of welfare moms I knew growing up?
Oh, boy. Speaking of stomachaches, here comes one now!
Romney has an old guy walk.
She just sneered when she said "Governor Mitt Romney".
Sorry, kid. You're screwed.
"Jeremy, There's nothing wrong with the economy, they tell you that because you're hopeless. Put down the bong and get your grades up."
Bev, at least she didn't spit when she said it.
Recognize or Redneckognize? Sorry, that was Honey Boo Boo in my ear.
Obama: your parents and professors are wrong. The economy is fine. Just ask me.
Obama is using "the voice" -- like he's reading from a teleprompter. This is going to get wierd if he keeps it up.
(cough cough) Bull@#$%! (cough cough)
Umm, Mr. President, GM DID go bankrupt...
Obama's debate team: Romney had lists last time. Be sure to use lists. That's the ticket! *old timey laugh*
God, he's doing that stupid "emphasis whisper" he does during the SOTU addresses. He's not going to do this the whole time, is he?
Romly?
Yes, because defense is dragging the economy down. The entitlements are all just fine.
Candy it is Romney, not Romley.
This debate is going to get down in the mud. I'm going to be banging my head on the keyboard shortly.
Thanks, RomLey, YES, GM WENT bankrupt!
I've never heard the phrase "take bankrupt" before.
ZAP on bankruptcy in Detroit
Wow. He's doubling down on this. I honestly didn't think he'd go there so fast.
Like Soylindra plays by different rules? I get it now.
Obama is doing better this time, I'll give him that.
As Larry Sabato said, he is awake.
Yawn. The class warfare garbage is tired.
Andrew, does that count as a Zinger®.
Like the Delphi workers who got screwed during the GM bankruptcy?
Good for Romney, don't let Obama get away with lies.
Is every questioner going to sound like Woody Allen?
Dang. Maybe that was a Romney plant.
Oh, and also, LIE.
In Brazil maybe
We're getting magic cars in a decade?
*That we're not using because of your bureaucracy.
I LOVE magic cars!! I'm voting for Obama!
No, just magic legislation. You can make cars more efficient just by passing a law. It's always worked before.
Coal production is up? News to us.
Sooo, then why are we investing in Brazil?
I have invested in Clean
Energy
they all went bankrupt but... don't sweat the details
We build energy sources? Or do we harness them? I'm being nitpicky.
Zing!
*nom*
In Obama's defense, those birds contained the cure for cancer.
Romney had a heck of a photo op with coal miners in Ohio the other day.
Bev, Magic cars are cool!
Great answer with specifics
Mr. President, can I help you?
I'm bummed, Obama hasn't interrupted him once.
A magic car in every garage and chicken-flavored arugula in every pot!
Public lands in Brazil right
Obama keeps calling Romney a liar, but he's lying.
Oh, Candy, there you go again. Helping Obama when Romney zings Obama.
Andrew - Do you think the magic car will come with an Obama-phone??
Tried, and failed.
Be "consistent"??? He is the least consistent person on the planet.
Aside: I just discovered a photo of Candy Crowley before she sat through makeup: LINK
WOW!!!
THROWDOWN!
Oooh, fight, fight!!!
There's another problem, too much public land.
Tryanmax - That' so mean!! But funny.
ZING!
Obama has truly been possessed by Joe Biden. #ScariestThoughtsEver
This is cool.
"the proof is the price at the pump."
Yep.
I'm going to go into sugar shock.
Oooh, Romney's taking over the stage!
romney is strafing barry's limp responses!
Any moment I expect the cops come in to separate them to the tune of "Whatya gonna do? Whatya gonna do when they come for you? Bad Boys! Bad Boys!"
This is why I hate town halls.
BUSH!
Candy Crowley: I'm going to run this debate.
Mitt Romney: Like hell you are.
So, gas prices being low is a BAD thing?
Wow, Obama's an ass.
The economy is sick so gas prices fall down
uh... I learned economics from sesame street
Mitt, I've got some boxing gloves in my garage that aren't being used, I'll let you borrow them if you want, unless...you don't care if you hurt your knuckles.
Romney won the energy round...Obama's rambling.
tryanmax: LOL
Too bad none of that pipeline connects to an oil source!!!!
WTF = Win the Future!
romney dismisses you, candy.
I am just not going to let you do this another time
So, this debate format lasted a grand total of 20 minutes. Not bad.
Tomorrow, we are going to hear ad nauseum about how Romney interrupted the President.
d'oh!
Amateur hour at the Hofstra!!!
joel: i can live with that!
Tomorrow's headline: Romney goes Biden!
He is blowing a hole in Obama's class warfare plan here.
Romney's Weapons: Numbers and specifics. Obama's Weapons: Yelling.
Patti,
The difference here is that Romney interrupts intelligently. Biden only interrupts.
Here's the new debate format:
Audience member: asks question
Mitt Romney: provides answer
Barack Obama: claims Romney lied
Candy Crowley: curls up in the corner
Shouting starts in 3....2....
Has Obama said anything yet? He can't get a word in edge-wise. I can live with that.
Solid answer by Romney.
And then you made those tax cuts unsustainable, so thanks.
I had a feeling Candy Cane wasn't competent.
Obama's covering territory Romney already went over, and doing it worse. Like usual.
No longer BUSH. Now it's ROMNEY'S ALLIES!
Romney is friends with Harry Reid? Somehow I don't buy it.
Again, LIE.
joel: candy was all talk. i've seen tougher women at a 50% after-christmas sale.
Tax credits grow the economy? Not jobs? Wow, I am learning so much right now.
What's the difference b/w tax cuts and tax RATE cuts?
Wait, now cutting taxes for everyone is a bad thing?
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